so i'd like to welcome you to our
so i'd like to welcome you to our
discussion
discussion
discussion
uh titled belarusian voices in the media
uh titled belarusian voices in the media
uh titled belarusian voices in the media
which is co-sponsored by the center for
which is co-sponsored by the center for
which is co-sponsored by the center for
european and russian studies
european and russian studies
european and russian studies
the department of slavic east european
the department of slavic east european
the department of slavic east european
and eurasian languages and cultures
and eurasian languages and cultures
and eurasian languages and cultures
and the ucla flagship program i'm the
and the ucla flagship program i'm the
and the ucla flagship program i'm the
organizer of this event susan cressen
organizer of this event susan cressen
organizer of this event susan cressen
from the slava department and the ucla
from the slava department and the ucla
from the slava department and the ucla
russian flagship program
russian flagship program
russian flagship program
our next flagship event will be this
our next flagship event will be this
our next flagship event will be this
friday it will be a movie discussion
friday it will be a movie discussion
friday it will be a movie discussion
send me an email if you're interested in
send me an email if you're interested in
send me an email if you're interested in
participating in that people will watch
participating in that people will watch
participating in that people will watch
the film before and then we'll discuss
the film before and then we'll discuss
the film before and then we'll discuss
it
it
it
on friday at 5 00 pm
in today's presentation we'll have two
in today's presentation we'll have two
speakers sasha razer
speakers sasha razer
speakers sasha razer
and lydia roberts dr sasha razer
and lydia roberts dr sasha razer
and lydia roberts dr sasha razer
is a native of belarus and an alumna of
is a native of belarus and an alumna of
is a native of belarus and an alumna of
the department of slavic
the department of slavic
the department of slavic
east european and eurasian studies she
east european and eurasian studies she
east european and eurasian studies she
wrote a dissertation on the
wrote a dissertation on the
wrote a dissertation on the
screenwriters of the left front of the
screenwriters of the left front of the
screenwriters of the left front of the
arts
arts
arts
sasha's research interests include
sasha's research interests include
sasha's research interests include
avant-garde cinema and literature
avant-garde cinema and literature
avant-garde cinema and literature
russian diaspora studies as well as
russian diaspora studies as well as
russian diaspora studies as well as
ukrainian
ukrainian
ukrainian
and belarusian literature and culture
and belarusian literature and culture
and belarusian literature and culture
in may of 2019 she curated
in may of 2019 she curated
in may of 2019 she curated
exiles protesters envoys russian history
exiles protesters envoys russian history
exiles protesters envoys russian history
and photographs an exhibition that was
and photographs an exhibition that was
and photographs an exhibition that was
sponsored by the city of west hollywood
sponsored by the city of west hollywood
sponsored by the city of west hollywood
which has a very large russian community
she's also known as the author of
she's also known as the author of
several academic articles and a
several academic articles and a
several academic articles and a
contributor to the la review of
contributor to the la review of
contributor to the la review of
books and an author co-author of a
books and an author co-author of a
books and an author co-author of a
fabulous article last year on russian
fabulous article last year on russian
fabulous article last year on russian
california which i highly recommend
california which i highly recommend
california which i highly recommend
sasha is currently a recipient of the
sasha is currently a recipient of the
sasha is currently a recipient of the
ac's internship grant
ac's internship grant
ac's internship grant
for 2020 and she's working at the museum
for 2020 and she's working at the museum
for 2020 and she's working at the museum
of russian culture in san francisco
of russian culture in san francisco
of russian culture in san francisco
our other speaker today is lydia roberts
our other speaker today is lydia roberts
our other speaker today is lydia roberts
who is a phd student in the department
who is a phd student in the department
who is a phd student in the department
of slavic eastern
of slavic eastern
of slavic eastern
european and eurasian languages and
european and eurasian languages and
european and eurasian languages and
cultures at ucla
cultures at ucla
cultures at ucla
she researches russian and polish
she researches russian and polish
she researches russian and polish
prison literature particularly memoir
prison literature particularly memoir
prison literature particularly memoir
and scholarship written in gulag camps
and scholarship written in gulag camps
and scholarship written in gulag camps
as well as genocide and mass
as well as genocide and mass
as well as genocide and mass
incarceration
incarceration
incarceration
lydia was named a eugene kota robus
lydia was named a eugene kota robus
lydia was named a eugene kota robus
fellow
fellow
fellow
in 2016 and a u.s russia
in 2016 and a u.s russia
in 2016 and a u.s russia
experts program fellow in 2019
experts program fellow in 2019
experts program fellow in 2019
her most recent project love songs of
her most recent project love songs of
her most recent project love songs of
the gulag
the gulag
the gulag
was a concert of russian polish and
was a concert of russian polish and
was a concert of russian polish and
japanese songs from soviet prisons
japanese songs from soviet prisons
japanese songs from soviet prisons
organized at la's la la slavasse
organized at la's la la slavasse
organized at la's la la slavasse
panorama but the event was delayed and
panorama but the event was delayed and
panorama but the event was delayed and
definitely due to covert 19.
definitely due to covert 19.
definitely due to covert 19.
we hope that that will be postponed to
we hope that that will be postponed to
we hope that that will be postponed to
to it to a
to it to a
to it to a
date pretty soon lydia has published
date pretty soon lydia has published
date pretty soon lydia has published
in soap year and la based music magazine
in soap year and la based music magazine
in soap year and la based music magazine
as well as the la review of books
as well as the la review of books
as well as the la review of books
sasha and lydia co-curated an exhibition
sasha and lydia co-curated an exhibition
sasha and lydia co-curated an exhibition
of the belarusian artist artur clino
of the belarusian artist artur clino
of the belarusian artist artur clino
titled the dream of revolution which
titled the dream of revolution which
titled the dream of revolution which
took place at powell library rotunda
took place at powell library rotunda
took place at powell library rotunda
in may 2017 and today they will com
in may 2017 and today they will com
in may 2017 and today they will com
discuss and comment on the ongoing
discuss and comment on the ongoing
discuss and comment on the ongoing
protests
protests
protests
in belarus
thank you susan for having us thank you
thank you susan for having us thank you
flagship students for coming and thank
flagship students for coming and thank
flagship students for coming and thank
you faculty and fellow graduate students
you faculty and fellow graduate students
you faculty and fellow graduate students
for joining the meeting it is very
for joining the meeting it is very
for joining the meeting it is very
important for me
important for me
important for me
to be able to talk about what is
to be able to talk about what is
to be able to talk about what is
happening in belarus
happening in belarus
happening in belarus
and my country and i guess lydia will
and my country and i guess lydia will
and my country and i guess lydia will
begin and i will be sharing
begin and i will be sharing
begin and i will be sharing
a screen with you okay
a screen with you okay
a screen with you okay
right we're going to start with
right we're going to start with
right we're going to start with
something we came out i came across on
something we came out i came across on
something we came out i came across on
twitter the other day
twitter the other day
twitter the other day
so when sasha pulls up her screen
[Music]
[Music]
but maybe you all just intro it so when
but maybe you all just intro it so when
but maybe you all just intro it so when
we see it so
we see it so
we see it so
um i think this statement we're going to
um i think this statement we're going to
um i think this statement we're going to
see reflects how a lot of people relate
see reflects how a lot of people relate
see reflects how a lot of people relate
to belarus right now
to belarus right now
to belarus right now
so this guy says i've never been to
so this guy says i've never been to
so this guy says i've never been to
belarus but i've been to bulgaria
belarus but i've been to bulgaria
belarus but i've been to bulgaria
and i imagine they're very similar i'm
and i imagine they're very similar i'm
and i imagine they're very similar i'm
not sure what language they speak there
not sure what language they speak there
not sure what language they speak there
but
but
but
here is my thread about why i think the
here is my thread about why i think the
here is my thread about why i think the
developments in the country
developments in the country
developments in the country
conform to my previously held belief so
so for the benefit of our audience um
so for the benefit of our audience um
how about we start with a little
how about we start with a little
how about we start with a little
background information
background information
background information
where is belarus and what should we know
where is belarus and what should we know
where is belarus and what should we know
about its history okay so thank you for
about its history okay so thank you for
about its history okay so thank you for
the question
the question
the question
and i think it is extremely important to
and i think it is extremely important to
and i think it is extremely important to
talk about it because the other day i
talk about it because the other day i
talk about it because the other day i
was talking to a
was talking to a
was talking to a
producer of a major us television
producer of a major us television
producer of a major us television
network and
network and
network and
i understood that something is wrong in
i understood that something is wrong in
i understood that something is wrong in
this department because she kept asking
this department because she kept asking
this department because she kept asking
me
me
me
and what do people of beirut want to
and what do people of beirut want to
and what do people of beirut want to
tell to the american audience
tell to the american audience
tell to the american audience
she was confused in beirut and belarus
she was confused in beirut and belarus
she was confused in beirut and belarus
which i don't blame her but i want you
which i don't blame her but i want you
which i don't blame her but i want you
guys to know where it is
guys to know where it is
guys to know where it is
um so belarus borders from five
um so belarus borders from five
um so belarus borders from five
countries ukraine
countries ukraine
countries ukraine
poland russia lithuania latvia
poland russia lithuania latvia
poland russia lithuania latvia
um the state languages are belarusian
um the state languages are belarusian
um the state languages are belarusian
and russian the official
and russian the official
and russian the official
and russian the official name for
and russian the official name for
and russian the official name for
belarus is
belarus is
belarus is
republica belarus and the russian
republica belarus and the russian
republica belarus and the russian
version belarusia
version belarusia
version belarusia
is outdated today and it has a colonial
is outdated today and it has a colonial
is outdated today and it has a colonial
connotation to it
connotation to it
connotation to it
you will see several languages in
you will see several languages in
you will see several languages in
circulation such as belarusia through o
circulation such as belarusia through o
circulation such as belarusia through o
and double
and double
and double
s which is still official and
s which is still official and
s which is still official and
non-standard adjectival forms that
non-standard adjectival forms that
non-standard adjectival forms that
circulate ability belarus
circulate ability belarus
circulate ability belarus
you see that being used a lot so the
you see that being used a lot so the
you see that being used a lot so the
norm might change
norm might change
norm might change
in your future um
in your future um
in your future um
so i would like to just quickly go over
so i would like to just quickly go over
so i would like to just quickly go over
the dates but
the dates but
the dates but
it is no it should not be the focus of
it is no it should not be the focus of
it is no it should not be the focus of
this talk the very first attempt
this talk the very first attempt
this talk the very first attempt
to build a belarusian nation state took
to build a belarusian nation state took
to build a belarusian nation state took
place in 1918
place in 1918
place in 1918
the so-called russian people's republic
the so-called russian people's republic
the so-called russian people's republic
and it only lasted for a year but those
and it only lasted for a year but those
and it only lasted for a year but those
people went to exile and they
people went to exile and they
people went to exile and they
settled down i think in the u.s and
settled down i think in the u.s and
settled down i think in the u.s and
canada and they still exist
canada and they still exist
canada and they still exist
and there is a president of the
and there is a president of the
and there is a president of the
belarusian people's republic
belarusian people's republic
belarusian people's republic
yvonne kosovo who is 86 right now she
yvonne kosovo who is 86 right now she
yvonne kosovo who is 86 right now she
lives in ottawa
lives in ottawa
lives in ottawa
um the true independence came to belarus
um the true independence came to belarus
um the true independence came to belarus
in 1991
in 1991
in 1991
after the collapse of the soviet union
after the collapse of the soviet union
after the collapse of the soviet union
in about 1994 president alexander
in about 1994 president alexander
in about 1994 president alexander
lukashenko came to power
lukashenko came to power
lukashenko came to power
and he has done everything possible to
and he has done everything possible to
and he has done everything possible to
hold on to it for 26 years
hold on to it for 26 years
hold on to it for 26 years
he has done so in a number of ways and
he has done so in a number of ways and
he has done so in a number of ways and
mainly through the referendum which took
mainly through the referendum which took
mainly through the referendum which took
place in 1996 and 2004
place in 1996 and 2004
place in 1996 and 2004
which increased the presidential power
which increased the presidential power
which increased the presidential power
as a result
as a result
as a result
he has won during
he has won during
he has won during
all election campaigns with a scores
all election campaigns with a scores
all election campaigns with a scores
which ranged from 72 to 83
which ranged from 72 to 83
which ranged from 72 to 83
percentage of volts so when we speak
percentage of volts so when we speak
percentage of volts so when we speak
about bilaterals we
about bilaterals we
about bilaterals we
have two sets of national symbols the
have two sets of national symbols the
have two sets of national symbols the
one that you see
one that you see
one that you see
in your right hand upper corner
in your right hand upper corner
in your right hand upper corner
is the old flag and the coat of arms of
is the old flag and the coat of arms of
is the old flag and the coat of arms of
the
the
the
russian people's republics and it was
russian people's republics and it was
russian people's republics and it was
reinstated in 1991
reinstated in 1991
reinstated in 1991
and then the other set of symbols was
and then the other set of symbols was
and then the other set of symbols was
introduced back by president lukash
introduced back by president lukash
introduced back by president lukash
president alexander lukashenk in 1994
president alexander lukashenk in 1994
president alexander lukashenk in 1994
and it is essentially the soviet design
and it is essentially the soviet design
and it is essentially the soviet design
with the hammer and the sickle removed
with the hammer and the sickle removed
with the hammer and the sickle removed
so now you know about the states
great so that's a great introduction to
great so that's a great introduction to
what's going on right now
what's going on right now
what's going on right now
so let's talk about this tournament the
so let's talk about this tournament the
so let's talk about this tournament the
current situation in belarus
current situation in belarus
current situation in belarus
um personally i've seen a lot of
um personally i've seen a lot of
um personally i've seen a lot of
different terminology floating around
different terminology floating around
different terminology floating around
uh protest uprising revolution
uh protest uprising revolution
uh protest uprising revolution
um slipper revolution was one that kind
um slipper revolution was one that kind
um slipper revolution was one that kind
of stuck for sex and disappeared
of stuck for sex and disappeared
of stuck for sex and disappeared
um i've also seen different names for
um i've also seen different names for
um i've also seen different names for
the country which you went through
the country which you went through
the country which you went through
so recognizing the importance of names
so recognizing the importance of names
so recognizing the importance of names
in shaping events like this what's your
in shaping events like this what's your
in shaping events like this what's your
take on
take on
take on
how we call this movement what do we
how we call this movement what do we
how we call this movement what do we
call it
all right so in terms of calling the
all right so in terms of calling the
movement i have to say that
people have been referring to it as
people have been referring to it as
protests
protests
protests
and belarusian journalists have been
and belarusian journalists have been
and belarusian journalists have been
very reserved about
very reserved about
very reserved about
column e revolution because
column e revolution because
column e revolution because
the revolutions can be also failed and
the revolutions can be also failed and
the revolutions can be also failed and
nobody wanted to get disappointed
nobody wanted to get disappointed
nobody wanted to get disappointed
what we have on the ground right now is
what we have on the ground right now is
what we have on the ground right now is
the military occupation of power
the military occupation of power
the military occupation of power
and the president which holds into it
and the president which holds into it
and the president which holds into it
has lost
has lost
has lost
the vote and his legitimacy
the vote and his legitimacy
the vote and his legitimacy
um so the charm revolution is more
um so the charm revolution is more
um so the charm revolution is more
widely used right now
widely used right now
widely used right now
but we are still approaching the
but we are still approaching the
but we are still approaching the
discursive framing of the events with
discursive framing of the events with
discursive framing of the events with
care and i am still keep trying to share
care and i am still keep trying to share
care and i am still keep trying to share
my screen time if you see
my screen time if you see
my screen time if you see
the map and the timeline
the map and the timeline
the map and the timeline
and the two sets of symbols so
and the two sets of symbols so
and the two sets of symbols so
as you can see the elections that
as you can see the elections that
as you can see the elections that
happened before
happened before
happened before
protest existed but what is different
protest existed but what is different
protest existed but what is different
this time
this time
this time
at this moment is that first of all it
at this moment is that first of all it
at this moment is that first of all it
is summer time and
is summer time and
is summer time and
people cannot travel so they are all
people cannot travel so they are all
people cannot travel so they are all
trapped inside the country because of
trapped inside the country because of
trapped inside the country because of
the covet restrictions
the covet restrictions
the covet restrictions
also the population has been previously
also the population has been previously
also the population has been previously
mobilized
mobilized
mobilized
by a protest which took place against
by a protest which took place against
by a protest which took place against
the
the
the
tax for parasitism
tax for parasitism
tax for parasitism
so so the parasitism tax when people
so so the parasitism tax when people
so so the parasitism tax when people
were fined specifically
were fined specifically
were fined specifically
because they did not work and the
because they did not work and the
because they did not work and the
society was already mobilized
society was already mobilized
society was already mobilized
um to top things and to make them worse
um to top things and to make them worse
um to top things and to make them worse
the lukashenko government completely
the lukashenko government completely
the lukashenko government completely
mishandled the public 19 situation and
mishandled the public 19 situation and
mishandled the public 19 situation and
belarus was the only country
belarus was the only country
belarus was the only country
in europe besides sweden not to
in europe besides sweden not to
in europe besides sweden not to
introduce the quarantine measures
introduce the quarantine measures
introduce the quarantine measures
and they really mishandled the situation
and they really mishandled the situation
and they really mishandled the situation
and it caused an incr extreme distrust
and it caused an incr extreme distrust
and it caused an incr extreme distrust
among the people
among the people
among the people
because they already went through
because they already went through
because they already went through
chernobyl in 1986
chernobyl in 1986
chernobyl in 1986
and they had to self-organize and to
and they had to self-organize and to
and they had to self-organize and to
volunteer to do something to help
volunteer to do something to help
volunteer to do something to help
so this is the ground view but of course
so this is the ground view but of course
so this is the ground view but of course
the largest reaction came
the largest reaction came
the largest reaction came
after the state-sponsored violence which
after the state-sponsored violence which
after the state-sponsored violence which
took place during the first four days
took place during the first four days
took place during the first four days
after the election and is still ongoing
after the election and is still ongoing
after the election and is still ongoing
right we see just a huge number of
right we see just a huge number of
right we see just a huge number of
people
people
people
but um sort of coming back to our own
but um sort of coming back to our own
but um sort of coming back to our own
the exhibition we did in 2017 with
the exhibition we did in 2017 with
the exhibition we did in 2017 with
arturo now
arturo now
arturo now
we talked a lot about the sort of
we talked a lot about the sort of
we talked a lot about the sort of
esoteric protest techniques that were
esoteric protest techniques that were
esoteric protest techniques that were
really
really
really
common in belarus one of the ones maybe
common in belarus one of the ones maybe
common in belarus one of the ones maybe
the audience has heard about
the audience has heard about
the audience has heard about
is the clapping assembly so in response
is the clapping assembly so in response
is the clapping assembly so in response
to the 2010 election
to the 2010 election
to the 2010 election
lukashenka had the opposition candidate
lukashenka had the opposition candidate
lukashenka had the opposition candidate
uh placed in jail
uh placed in jail
uh placed in jail
and so people would gather and have
and so people would gather and have
and so people would gather and have
these uh assemblies they clapped they
these uh assemblies they clapped they
these uh assemblies they clapped they
wouldn't chant there with no slogans no
wouldn't chant there with no slogans no
wouldn't chant there with no slogans no
slants just clapping
slants just clapping
slants just clapping
so but as you're noting this summer
so but as you're noting this summer
so but as you're noting this summer
we're seeing just a huge turnout from
we're seeing just a huge turnout from
we're seeing just a huge turnout from
all kinds of people um not esoteric
all kinds of people um not esoteric
all kinds of people um not esoteric
protesters they're all just ordinary
protesters they're all just ordinary
protesters they're all just ordinary
people
people
people
so what are the tactics that these
so what are the tactics that these
so what are the tactics that these
people are using uh what's new about it
people are using uh what's new about it
people are using uh what's new about it
and what's specific to belarus
and what's specific to belarus
and what's specific to belarus
so i'm going to show you several
so i'm going to show you several
so i'm going to show you several
pictures from
pictures from
pictures from
previous protests this is the jeans
previous protests this is the jeans
previous protests this is the jeans
revolution of 1906
revolution of 1906
revolution of 1906
and also the
and also the
and also the
parasitism tax protest of 1917 and you
parasitism tax protest of 1917 and you
parasitism tax protest of 1917 and you
see a very standard
see a very standard
see a very standard
square assembly with the tent camp and
square assembly with the tent camp and
square assembly with the tent camp and
encampment but those revolutions
encampment but those revolutions
encampment but those revolutions
were suppressed and brutally suppressed
were suppressed and brutally suppressed
were suppressed and brutally suppressed
and then people started being creative
and then people started being creative
and then people started being creative
and they came out with just blank pieces
and they came out with just blank pieces
and they came out with just blank pieces
of paper and were arrested
of paper and were arrested
of paper and were arrested
they clapped and they were arrested the
they clapped and they were arrested the
they clapped and they were arrested the
russian government is really known for
russian government is really known for
russian government is really known for
very brutal suppression techniques
very brutal suppression techniques
very brutal suppression techniques
and this year things are really
and this year things are really
and this year things are really
different and i'm going to explain why
different and i'm going to explain why
different and i'm going to explain why
they are different so first of all
they are different so first of all
they are different so first of all
the entire country has consolidated
the entire country has consolidated
the entire country has consolidated
around one independent transitional
around one independent transitional
around one independent transitional
candidate
candidate
candidate
cetlanet hanover and in her election
cetlanet hanover and in her election
cetlanet hanover and in her election
campaign
campaign
campaign
they have used a very interesting viral
they have used a very interesting viral
they have used a very interesting viral
language for addressing the authorities
language for addressing the authorities
language for addressing the authorities
namely they use the refrain rasviet
namely they use the refrain rasviet
namely they use the refrain rasviet
narman
narman
narman
is this normal and this way they gave
is this normal and this way they gave
is this normal and this way they gave
people the language to speak with their
people the language to speak with their
people the language to speak with their
authorities
authorities
authorities
and this language has been even co-opted
and this language has been even co-opted
and this language has been even co-opted
by the president lukashenko himself who
by the president lukashenko himself who
by the president lukashenko himself who
started using it as well
started using it as well
started using it as well
they also introduced elements of
they also introduced elements of
they also introduced elements of
psychotherapy to the rally speeches
psychotherapy to the rally speeches
psychotherapy to the rally speeches
teaching people not to be afraid
teaching people not to be afraid
teaching people not to be afraid
they anticipated the election fraud in
they anticipated the election fraud in
they anticipated the election fraud in
advance and had a solid plan
advance and had a solid plan
advance and had a solid plan
for legal actions to counter it
for legal actions to counter it
for legal actions to counter it
afterwards and we see
afterwards and we see
afterwards and we see
that this plan is very difficult to
that this plan is very difficult to
that this plan is very difficult to
execute right now
execute right now
execute right now
i would also like to show you how this
i would also like to show you how this
i would also like to show you how this
campaign
campaign
campaign
has been designed
has been designed
has been designed
what are the visual components of this
what are the visual components of this
what are the visual components of this
complaint and one of the things that i'm
complaint and one of the things that i'm
complaint and one of the things that i'm
looking
looking
looking
at is how eclectic this thing
at is how eclectic this thing
at is how eclectic this thing
is and how they drew from many different
is and how they drew from many different
is and how they drew from many different
sources
sources
sources
for example on your left you see
for example on your left you see
for example on your left you see
swelling tighanovska wearing the white
swelling tighanovska wearing the white
swelling tighanovska wearing the white
bracelet ribbon and this of course came
bracelet ribbon and this of course came
bracelet ribbon and this of course came
from the russian protests of the 2011.
from the russian protests of the 2011.
from the russian protests of the 2011.
they also used the famous logo yummy
they also used the famous logo yummy
they also used the famous logo yummy
a campaign of the russian media to free
a campaign of the russian media to free
a campaign of the russian media to free
the journalist ivan gohan off so this
the journalist ivan gohan off so this
the journalist ivan gohan off so this
side it's completely all from from
side it's completely all from from
side it's completely all from from
russia
russia
russia
also the white color is the color of the
also the white color is the color of the
also the white color is the color of the
women's suffrage in general but
women's suffrage in general but
women's suffrage in general but
it's been articulate in that particular
it's been articulate in that particular
it's been articulate in that particular
protest
protest
protest
on the left on the right you see
on the left on the right you see
on the left on the right you see
the native belarusian symbols for
the native belarusian symbols for
the native belarusian symbols for
example the lithuanian coat of arms
example the lithuanian coat of arms
example the lithuanian coat of arms
was redesigned and we see a woman on the
was redesigned and we see a woman on the
was redesigned and we see a woman on the
horse
horse
horse
we also see this very interesting emoji
we also see this very interesting emoji
we also see this very interesting emoji
symbol of the heart
symbol of the heart
symbol of the heart
the clenched feast and the victory sign
the clenched feast and the victory sign
the clenched feast and the victory sign
which was done by
which was done by
which was done by
a very fine belarusian artist antonina
a very fine belarusian artist antonina
a very fine belarusian artist antonina
slavoy
slavoy
slavoy
and she just doodled it on paper posted
and she just doodled it on paper posted
and she just doodled it on paper posted
it on when and now
it on when and now
it on when and now
millions of people are using her imagery
millions of people are using her imagery
millions of people are using her imagery
for this protest
for this protest
for this protest
and cetlana tsihanovska was really a
and cetlana tsihanovska was really a
and cetlana tsihanovska was really a
perfect
perfect
perfect
alternative candidate because she did
alternative candidate because she did
alternative candidate because she did
not alienate
not alienate
not alienate
anyone she really tapped into this
anyone she really tapped into this
anyone she really tapped into this
patriarchal mode
patriarchal mode
patriarchal mode
of a woman going to politics as an
of a woman going to politics as an
of a woman going to politics as an
outsider
outsider
outsider
to save her husband from jail because
to save her husband from jail because
to save her husband from jail because
she loves him and that communicated
she loves him and that communicated
she loves him and that communicated
emotionally to the millions of
emotionally to the millions of
emotionally to the millions of
people and just to show you another
people and just to show you another
people and just to show you another
eclectic side of this protest
eclectic side of this protest
eclectic side of this protest
they she came on stage each time with a
they she came on stage each time with a
they she came on stage each time with a
song titled murray which is an anthem of
song titled murray which is an anthem of
song titled murray which is an anthem of
polish anti-communist solidarity
polish anti-communist solidarity
polish anti-communist solidarity
movement
movement
movement
written by yatza kachemarsken and we'll
written by yatza kachemarsken and we'll
written by yatza kachemarsken and we'll
talk about the song later but
talk about the song later but
talk about the song later but
i think drawing from all sources trying
i think drawing from all sources trying
i think drawing from all sources trying
to unite your audience
to unite your audience
to unite your audience
communicating to the basic emotions
communicating to the basic emotions
communicating to the basic emotions
stating
stating
stating
right up front that you are a
right up front that you are a
right up front that you are a
transitional candidate you have no
transitional candidate you have no
transitional candidate you have no
interest to seize the power you just
interest to seize the power you just
interest to seize the power you just
want to bring
want to bring
want to bring
change this is what united people and
change this is what united people and
change this is what united people and
this is what was so different during
this is what was so different during
this is what was so different during
this time
this time
this time
now the protests that consume work
now the protests that consume work
now the protests that consume work
completely
completely
completely
and different if you will
and different if you will
and different if you will
because the united headquarters of sri
because the united headquarters of sri
because the united headquarters of sri
lanka
lanka
lanka
had nothing to do with them and it was a
had nothing to do with them and it was a
had nothing to do with them and it was a
hundred percent
hundred percent
hundred percent
decentralized peaceful protest which
decentralized peaceful protest which
decentralized peaceful protest which
used an osmosis of peaceful protest
used an osmosis of peaceful protest
used an osmosis of peaceful protest
techniques
techniques
techniques
such as be like water the principle that
such as be like water the principle that
such as be like water the principle that
came around
came around
came around
in hong kong also strikes
in hong kong also strikes
in hong kong also strikes
um we have seen many resignations of the
um we have seen many resignations of the
um we have seen many resignations of the
police officers
police officers
police officers
um and the hashtag pagonapad appeared
um and the hashtag pagonapad appeared
um and the hashtag pagonapad appeared
meaning the fall down of the
meaning the fall down of the
meaning the fall down of the
military and senior and the morphology
military and senior and the morphology
military and senior and the morphology
of the word repeats leaning apart the
of the word repeats leaning apart the
of the word repeats leaning apart the
fall down of the limbs
fall down of the limbs
fall down of the limbs
statues during the maidan in cave
statues during the maidan in cave
statues during the maidan in cave
um women's marches we have seen dying
um women's marches we have seen dying
um women's marches we have seen dying
protests yesterday when women were
protests yesterday when women were
protests yesterday when women were
on the ground and they stopped the heavy
on the ground and they stopped the heavy
on the ground and they stopped the heavy
ambulation and also boycotts are
ambulation and also boycotts are
ambulation and also boycotts are
beginning tomorrow many parents will not
beginning tomorrow many parents will not
beginning tomorrow many parents will not
be sending their children to school
be sending their children to school
be sending their children to school
also because the internet has been
also because the internet has been
also because the internet has been
blocked for three days
blocked for three days
blocked for three days
and remains very unstable people had to
and remains very unstable people had to
and remains very unstable people had to
come with a new channel for information
come with a new channel for information
come with a new channel for information
and we had seen the proliferation of the
and we had seen the proliferation of the
and we had seen the proliferation of the
telegram chats and platforms
telegram chats and platforms
telegram chats and platforms
we have also seen the circulation of the
we have also seen the circulation of the
we have also seen the circulation of the
paper flyers and posters the so-called
paper flyers and posters the so-called
paper flyers and posters the so-called
dystopia
dystopia
dystopia
which were also used by the workers 100
which were also used by the workers 100
which were also used by the workers 100
years ago on the
years ago on the
years ago on the
socialist revolution we have seen
socialist revolution we have seen
socialist revolution we have seen
proliferation of grass
proliferation of grass
proliferation of grass
grassroot and valencia networks and as
grassroot and valencia networks and as
grassroot and valencia networks and as
every protest this protest too has its
every protest this protest too has its
every protest this protest too has its
vocabulary so the new warsap and i think
vocabulary so the new warsap and i think
vocabulary so the new warsap and i think
they will be of the interest to the
they will be of the interest to the
they will be of the interest to the
russian flagship students
russian flagship students
russian flagship students
for example the word bus or busiek means
for example the word bus or busiek means
for example the word bus or busiek means
the minivan
the minivan
the minivan
in which the police is traveling also
in which the police is traveling also
in which the police is traveling also
there is a specific term karately which
there is a specific term karately which
there is a specific term karately which
applies to the police and this trauma
applies to the police and this trauma
applies to the police and this trauma
already was used in the maidan
already was used in the maidan
already was used in the maidan
so it's not specifically belarusian but
so it's not specifically belarusian but
so it's not specifically belarusian but
we do use it in this protest
we do use it in this protest
we do use it in this protest
there is a exclusively belarusian word
there is a exclusively belarusian word
there is a exclusively belarusian word
hapon
hapon
hapon
which means a punitive operation by the
which means a punitive operation by the
which means a punitive operation by the
police
police
police
aimed at arresting everyone they can
aimed at arresting everyone they can
aimed at arresting everyone they can
catch
catch
catch
like literally everyone they can catch
like literally everyone they can catch
like literally everyone they can catch
and get a hold of on the street
and get a hold of on the street
and get a hold of on the street
um the word means a
um the word means a
um the word means a
police officer dressed in his civil
police officer dressed in his civil
police officer dressed in his civil
clothing working closely with the police
clothing working closely with the police
clothing working closely with the police
against the protesters and i'll show you
against the protesters and i'll show you
against the protesters and i'll show you
what
what
what
sepka is in the moment and the chance of
sepka is in the moment and the chance of
sepka is in the moment and the chance of
this process is also a very very
this process is also a very very
this process is also a very very
interesting story because what we have
interesting story because what we have
interesting story because what we have
right now is that
right now is that
right now is that
the protesters are walking around in
the protesters are walking around in
the protesters are walking around in
smaller groups and being in a smaller
smaller groups and being in a smaller
smaller groups and being in a smaller
group
group
group
gives you room for improvisation so
gives you room for improvisation so
gives you room for improvisation so
there are
there are
there are
more chance than before their rhythmical
more chance than before their rhythmical
more chance than before their rhythmical
patterns are very diverse and
patterns are very diverse and
patterns are very diverse and
interesting and one of the most popular
interesting and one of the most popular
interesting and one of the most popular
chants i put them down here so
chants i put them down here so
chants i put them down here so
live below we love we can we will win
live below we love we can we will win
live below we love we can we will win
one for all and all for one which is of
one for all and all for one which is of
one for all and all for one which is of
course an old european chant
course an old european chant
course an old european chant
known to us not only through the work of
known to us not only through the work of
known to us not only through the work of
alexander dumas
alexander dumas
alexander dumas
and his famous novel three musketeers
and his famous novel three musketeers
and his famous novel three musketeers
but
but
but
also it's been used since the 16th
also it's been used since the 16th
also it's been used since the 16th
century prague
century prague
century prague
in the events called the third
in the events called the third
in the events called the third
defenestration of prague
defenestration of prague
defenestration of prague
and the last two chants are very popular
and the last two chants are very popular
and the last two chants are very popular
among the children
among the children
among the children
lukash who gashan kalakhimat and
lukash who gashan kalakhimat and
lukash who gashan kalakhimat and
go away and there are many reports
go away and there are many reports
go away and there are many reports
across the country of children chanting
across the country of children chanting
across the country of children chanting
it in a daycare and the yards
it in a daycare and the yards
it in a daycare and the yards
so here you go and this is how sepka
so here you go and this is how sepka
so here you go and this is how sepka
looks like
looks like
looks like
not only the women stand like that so
not only the women stand like that so
not only the women stand like that so
they cannot be taken by the police and
they cannot be taken by the police and
they cannot be taken by the police and
men
men
men
but we also see right now that the
but we also see right now that the
but we also see right now that the
police itself the
police itself the
police itself the
the swat teams they've been doing that
the swat teams they've been doing that
the swat teams they've been doing that
as well
as well
as well
in the past two days on the streets
in the past two days on the streets
in the past two days on the streets
right you shared the video of the guards
right you shared the video of the guards
right you shared the video of the guards
making a circle around a group of women
making a circle around a group of women
making a circle around a group of women
and it was really striking because all
and it was really striking because all
and it was really striking because all
the women are dressed in white they're
the women are dressed in white they're
the women are dressed in white they're
holding flowers they're children
holding flowers they're children
holding flowers they're children
and then these guards in black are just
and then these guards in black are just
and then these guards in black are just
surrounding
surrounding
surrounding
so the sort of symbolism or the imagery
so the sort of symbolism or the imagery
so the sort of symbolism or the imagery
of having women there is really
of having women there is really
of having women there is really
interesting can you talk a little bit
interesting can you talk a little bit
interesting can you talk a little bit
more about the role of women in this
more about the role of women in this
more about the role of women in this
process and even children when they
process and even children when they
process and even children when they
when they show up so the role of women
when they show up so the role of women
when they show up so the role of women
in this protest is really outstanding
in this protest is really outstanding
in this protest is really outstanding
and it started in a
and it started in a
and it started in a
most unexpected way back in july
most unexpected way back in july
most unexpected way back in july
the belarusian government uh confiscated
the belarusian government uh confiscated
the belarusian government uh confiscated
the art collection which was
the art collection which was
the art collection which was
owned by bill gasprom bank but it wasn't
owned by bill gasprom bank but it wasn't
owned by bill gasprom bank but it wasn't
a gallery in public access
a gallery in public access
a gallery in public access
and the most expensive painting of
and the most expensive painting of
and the most expensive painting of
this collection is the portrait of eve
this collection is the portrait of eve
this collection is the portrait of eve
by famous jewish
by famous jewish
by famous jewish
modernist paint of belarusian origin
modernist paint of belarusian origin
modernist paint of belarusian origin
he painted in 1928 in paris
he painted in 1928 in paris
he painted in 1928 in paris
and eve became a symbol of the protest
and eve became a symbol of the protest
and eve became a symbol of the protest
back in
back in
back in
july and the hashtag giveaway evolution
july and the hashtag giveaway evolution
july and the hashtag giveaway evolution
has appeared and has been a subject of
has appeared and has been a subject of
has appeared and has been a subject of
many memes and really rallied the women
many memes and really rallied the women
many memes and really rallied the women
around
around
around
then in on august 13th the women of
then in on august 13th the women of
then in on august 13th the women of
in white movement took it to the streets
in white movement took it to the streets
in white movement took it to the streets
and i can tell from personal experience
and i can tell from personal experience
and i can tell from personal experience
about how it happened because i was on
about how it happened because i was on
about how it happened because i was on
facebook chats with many scholars from
facebook chats with many scholars from
facebook chats with many scholars from
belarus like
belarus like
belarus like
belarusian women and we were recording a
belarusian women and we were recording a
belarusian women and we were recording a
video for belsat tv
video for belsat tv
video for belsat tv
appealing to the world authorities to
appealing to the world authorities to
appealing to the world authorities to
stop violence in the letters because we
stop violence in the letters because we
stop violence in the letters because we
were so shaken
were so shaken
were so shaken
and as we were talking we found this
and as we were talking we found this
and as we were talking we found this
messenger chat
messenger chat
messenger chat
where women were also agreeing to take
where women were also agreeing to take
where women were also agreeing to take
you to the streets
you to the streets
you to the streets
and from what i understand there was a
and from what i understand there was a
and from what i understand there was a
parallel movement in many cities where
parallel movement in many cities where
parallel movement in many cities where
many people decided to do it
many people decided to do it
many people decided to do it
and it caught on
so you see women just standing
so you see women just standing
peacefully in the kamarovsky market
peacefully in the kamarovsky market
peacefully in the kamarovsky market
on august 30th and they're really scared
on august 30th and they're really scared
on august 30th and they're really scared
but also proud that
but also proud that
but also proud that
they can just stand in peace and their
they can just stand in peace and their
they can just stand in peace and their
moon doesn't get them and i'm going to
moon doesn't get them and i'm going to
moon doesn't get them and i'm going to
show you the
show you the
show you the
video of the women's march which took
video of the women's march which took
video of the women's march which took
place on august 29th just this saturday
place on august 29th just this saturday
place on august 29th just this saturday
and you can see on this picture which
and you can see on this picture which
and you can see on this picture which
actually lydia found
actually lydia found
actually lydia found
over gps tracker of one activist and how
over gps tracker of one activist and how
over gps tracker of one activist and how
much you walked on that day
much you walked on that day
much you walked on that day
and i'm going to show you a video of
and i'm going to show you a video of
and i'm going to show you a video of
something that i've never seen in my
something that i've never seen in my
something that i've never seen in my
life it's a group of women
life it's a group of women
life it's a group of women
clashing with the police and winning and
clashing with the police and winning and
clashing with the police and winning and
surrounding them
foreign
foreign
no see how this basically saving this
so you basically see that women what
so you basically see that women what
they started attacking the police
they started attacking the police
they started attacking the police
and just yesterday can you turn up your
and just yesterday can you turn up your
and just yesterday can you turn up your
volume
volume
volume
my volume yeah thanks
my volume yeah thanks
my volume yeah thanks
so could you guys see the video
so could you guys see the video
so could you guys see the video
a little more if you could turn it up a
a little more if you could turn it up a
a little more if you could turn it up a
little more that would be better
little more that would be better
little more that would be better
okay okay i will turn it up next time so
okay okay i will turn it up next time so
okay okay i will turn it up next time so
basically women have been chanting via
basically women have been chanting via
basically women have been chanting via
the power
the power
the power
miss this lies and they used
miss this lies and they used
miss this lies and they used
howling as a method of intimidating the
howling as a method of intimidating the
howling as a method of intimidating the
police
police
police
and the videos that came out from
and the videos that came out from
and the videos that came out from
yesterday and the day before are
yesterday and the day before are
yesterday and the day before are
just incredible i've never seen anything
just incredible i've never seen anything
just incredible i've never seen anything
like that in my life
like that in my life
like that in my life
um so i'm back to lydia
right well so one of the other things we
right well so one of the other things we
were gonna you mentioned how the
were gonna you mentioned how the
were gonna you mentioned how the
children are sort of chanting
children are sort of chanting
children are sort of chanting
that kind of thing um uh you know
that kind of thing um uh you know
that kind of thing um uh you know
another thing that i think is is
another thing that i think is is
another thing that i think is is
interesting is how much people are sort
interesting is how much people are sort
interesting is how much people are sort
of being forced to use technology
of being forced to use technology
of being forced to use technology
in ways that maybe they hadn't before
in ways that maybe they hadn't before
in ways that maybe they hadn't before
and i think there's a generational
and i think there's a generational
and i think there's a generational
divide that that plays into
divide that that plays into
divide that that plays into
so thinking about sort of how people
so thinking about sort of how people
so thinking about sort of how people
adapt to new technology
adapt to new technology
adapt to new technology
in order to make these these things
in order to make these these things
in order to make these these things
happen um
happen um
happen um
belarus is pretty well known here in
belarus is pretty well known here in
belarus is pretty well known here in
california for the tech sector so
california for the tech sector so
california for the tech sector so
you know there's plenty of startups with
you know there's plenty of startups with
you know there's plenty of startups with
offices in minsk
offices in minsk
offices in minsk
any program developer here has
any program developer here has
any program developer here has
interacted with a belarusian or
interacted with a belarusian or
interacted with a belarusian or
ukrainian software
ukrainian software
ukrainian software
programmer um so how does this
programmer um so how does this
programmer um so how does this
technology exchange
technology exchange
technology exchange
figure into the situation so technology
figure into the situation so technology
figure into the situation so technology
is a
is a
is a
very important part of this situation
very important part of this situation
very important part of this situation
i've already managed to mention the role
i've already managed to mention the role
i've already managed to mention the role
of
of
of
telegram platform because it was the
telegram platform because it was the
telegram platform because it was the
only platform
only platform
only platform
available working during the internet
available working during the internet
available working during the internet
shutdown
shutdown
shutdown
and um it's ceo
and um it's ceo
and um it's ceo
dorothy pablo durov he introduced the
dorothy pablo durov he introduced the
dorothy pablo durov he introduced the
anti-censorship
anti-censorship
anti-censorship
mechanism specifically for belarus and
mechanism specifically for belarus and
mechanism specifically for belarus and
one specific telegram channel rolls
one specific telegram channel rolls
one specific telegram channel rolls
around it its name
around it its name
around it its name
is alive not next as many people think
is alive not next as many people think
is alive not next as many people think
but
but
but
and its subscription grew up to two
and its subscription grew up to two
and its subscription grew up to two
million
million
million
people during the last two weeks i guess
people during the last two weeks i guess
people during the last two weeks i guess
it's it's really he really made an
it's it's really he really made an
it's it's really he really made an
impact
impact
impact
also they tried to build their votes and
also they tried to build their votes and
also they tried to build their votes and
vote independent vote counseling
vote independent vote counseling
vote independent vote counseling
platform
platform
platform
before the election and i really never
before the election and i really never
before the election and i really never
heard what happened to it and if it
heard what happened to it and if it
heard what happened to it and if it
worked and if it could
worked and if it could
worked and if it could
process the results at the same time
process the results at the same time
process the results at the same time
you have to also understand that the
you have to also understand that the
you have to also understand that the
technology sector in belarus
technology sector in belarus
technology sector in belarus
mainly employs people whom they
mainly employs people whom they
mainly employs people whom they
outsource
outsource
outsource
and these people make they have very
and these people make they have very
and these people make they have very
nice salaries but they also have things
nice salaries but they also have things
nice salaries but they also have things
to lose
to lose
to lose
so they were not the most active part of
so they were not the most active part of
so they were not the most active part of
this process
this process
this process
although right now we do have the news
although right now we do have the news
although right now we do have the news
that um
that um
that um
one of the top managers of epam company
one of the top managers of epam company
one of the top managers of epam company
the largest tech company in belarus
the largest tech company in belarus
the largest tech company in belarus
joined the transitional government and
joined the transitional government and
joined the transitional government and
is participating
is participating
is participating
in it as well but as of today all these
in it as well but as of today all these
in it as well but as of today all these
companies started to evacuate and about
companies started to evacuate and about
companies started to evacuate and about
companies left belarus already or
companies left belarus already or
companies left belarus already or
packing up their offices
packing up their offices
packing up their offices
and living and by now everyone who can
and living and by now everyone who can
and living and by now everyone who can
who is risking something has left the
who is risking something has left the
who is risking something has left the
country
country
country
as well everyone who could do that and
as well everyone who could do that and
as well everyone who could do that and
choose to do it
choose to do it
choose to do it
right not just not just tech people
right not just not just tech people
right not just not just tech people
there's also a lot of journalists who
there's also a lot of journalists who
there's also a lot of journalists who
are
are
are
either leaving because they're afraid or
either leaving because they're afraid or
either leaving because they're afraid or
leaving because they have to they're
leaving because they have to they're
leaving because they have to they're
being stripped of their
being stripped of their
being stripped of their
accreditation so in that sort of
accreditation so in that sort of
accreditation so in that sort of
context it can be really difficult to
context it can be really difficult to
context it can be really difficult to
get news about what's going on right you
get news about what's going on right you
get news about what's going on right you
have to have
have to have
have to have
russian proficiency you have to have
russian proficiency you have to have
russian proficiency you have to have
belarusian proficiency maybe polish help
belarusian proficiency maybe polish help
belarusian proficiency maybe polish help
so
so
so
so considering how dynamic the situation
so considering how dynamic the situation
so considering how dynamic the situation
and its coverage are
and its coverage are
and its coverage are
how do you monitor and what do you
how do you monitor and what do you
how do you monitor and what do you
suggest for our audience here
suggest for our audience here
suggest for our audience here
especially our russian flagship students
especially our russian flagship students
especially our russian flagship students
how should they
how should they
how should they
follow what's going on so this is
follow what's going on so this is
follow what's going on so this is
something that i want my
something that i want my
something that i want my
colleagues and our students to know
colleagues and our students to know
colleagues and our students to know
about
about
about
it is very difficult to be a journalist
it is very difficult to be a journalist
it is very difficult to be a journalist
in belarus at the moment
in belarus at the moment
in belarus at the moment
and many people has been arrested
and many people has been arrested
and many people has been arrested
tortured
tortured
tortured
wounded um the foreign press is
wounded um the foreign press is
wounded um the foreign press is
currently not admitted to the country
currently not admitted to the country
currently not admitted to the country
and people who worked on the ground has
and people who worked on the ground has
and people who worked on the ground has
lost their accreditation
lost their accreditation
lost their accreditation
just two days ago um the coverage has
just two days ago um the coverage has
just two days ago um the coverage has
been
been
been
uneven and i i stepped up into the
uneven and i i stepped up into the
uneven and i i stepped up into the
situation
situation
situation
wrote my little note that my editor was
wrote my little note that my editor was
wrote my little note that my editor was
very kind to
very kind to
very kind to
publish right away because the coverage
publish right away because the coverage
publish right away because the coverage
was so bad and i want to show you one
was so bad and i want to show you one
was so bad and i want to show you one
screen
screen
screen
so on the left you see um the western
so on the left you see um the western
so on the left you see um the western
news right after the election saying
news right after the election saying
news right after the election saying
well president
well president
well president
and there is only one npr article about
and there is only one npr article about
and there is only one npr article about
the protest
the protest
the protest
and on the right we see my ground view
and on the right we see my ground view
and on the right we see my ground view
which i received from radio liberty
which i received from radio liberty
which i received from radio liberty
of you know incredibly violent and
of you know incredibly violent and
of you know incredibly violent and
brutal protest suppression
brutal protest suppression
brutal protest suppression
um the way that i monitor the situation
um the way that i monitor the situation
um the way that i monitor the situation
now and just change and
now and just change and
now and just change and
this is what i do i check the telegram
this is what i do i check the telegram
this is what i do i check the telegram
channels because this is the primary
channels because this is the primary
channels because this is the primary
source of information which we receive
source of information which we receive
source of information which we receive
nowadays
nowadays
nowadays
so i'll look at nectar life and telegram
so i'll look at nectar life and telegram
so i'll look at nectar life and telegram
there is another channel called belarus
there is another channel called belarus
there is another channel called belarus
golovkin
and you have to understand one thing
and you have to understand one thing
about these channels that crowd source
about these channels that crowd source
about these channels that crowd source
the editors cannot process the entirety
the editors cannot process the entirety
the editors cannot process the entirety
of the information
of the information
of the information
and also all of them are not very
and also all of them are not very
and also all of them are not very
professional journalists and they're
professional journalists and they're
professional journalists and they're
working on extreme conditions and nectar
working on extreme conditions and nectar
working on extreme conditions and nectar
life of course has the political agenda
life of course has the political agenda
life of course has the political agenda
and they
and they
and they
are coordinating the efforts of the
are coordinating the efforts of the
are coordinating the efforts of the
belarusian people
belarusian people
belarusian people
to the revolutionary efforts of the
to the revolutionary efforts of the
to the revolutionary efforts of the
belarusian people
belarusian people
belarusian people
then you have your own streams there are
then you have your own streams there are
then you have your own streams there are
some belarusian streams
some belarusian streams
some belarusian streams
bilsat radio slab and they're also
bilsat radio slab and they're also
bilsat radio slab and they're also
very good stream that nastaya shivrema
very good stream that nastaya shivrema
very good stream that nastaya shivrema
which is an american news source
which is an american news source
which is an american news source
you might want to follow belarusian
you might want to follow belarusian
you might want to follow belarusian
independent news such as national
independent news such as national
independent news such as national
narrative
online and some of them are in russian
online and some of them are in russian
some of them angular wishing
some of them angular wishing
some of them angular wishing
also there is a russian language media
also there is a russian language media
also there is a russian language media
and i highly recommend meeting arizona
and i highly recommend meeting arizona
and i highly recommend meeting arizona
medusa which has an english version by
medusa which has an english version by
medusa which has an english version by
the way
sometimes publish things on belarus and
sometimes publish things on belarus and
the rest of russian media landscape is
the rest of russian media landscape is
the rest of russian media landscape is
extremely tricky
extremely tricky
extremely tricky
and you have to understand that you'll
and you have to understand that you'll
and you have to understand that you'll
be getting the secondary like secondhand
be getting the secondary like secondhand
be getting the secondary like secondhand
information from them
information from them
information from them
there is also european media including
there is also european media including
there is also european media including
polish and
polish and
polish and
ukrainian which is trying to do a very
ukrainian which is trying to do a very
ukrainian which is trying to do a very
good job on the coverage
good job on the coverage
good job on the coverage
um now in america i have to say who is
um now in america i have to say who is
um now in america i have to say who is
writing
writing
writing
for the belarusian so the situation with
for the belarusian so the situation with
for the belarusian so the situation with
coverage in the major newspapers has
coverage in the major newspapers has
coverage in the major newspapers has
improved
improved
improved
recently and among the people who
recently and among the people who
recently and among the people who
stepped up first
stepped up first
stepped up first
were masha gessen from new yorkers
were masha gessen from new yorkers
were masha gessen from new yorkers
professor timothy snyder who wrote a
professor timothy snyder who wrote a
professor timothy snyder who wrote a
very good op-ed column for i think
very good op-ed column for i think
very good op-ed column for i think
washington post
washington post
washington post
and you really have to read
and you really have to read
and you really have to read
maybe journalists of the belarusian
maybe journalists of the belarusian
maybe journalists of the belarusian
origin
origin
origin
who follow the news and sensitize a lot
who follow the news and sensitize a lot
who follow the news and sensitize a lot
of information and
of information and
of information and
write these reports and right now they
write these reports and right now they
write these reports and right now they
have two names that come to mind for the
have two names that come to mind for the
have two names that come to mind for the
major people who writes him this is
major people who writes him this is
major people who writes him this is
maria sadoska komlej
maria sadoska komlej
maria sadoska komlej
who is who has been trained at the
who is who has been trained at the
who is who has been trained at the
columbia university graduate school of
columbia university graduate school of
columbia university graduate school of
journalism
journalism
journalism
she's very good and she writes for
she's very good and she writes for
she's very good and she writes for
foreign affairs she also writes for
foreign affairs she also writes for
foreign affairs she also writes for
political and i really follow her
political and i really follow her
political and i really follow her
articles and also dr nelly backus who is
articles and also dr nelly backus who is
articles and also dr nelly backus who is
teaching at the university of
teaching at the university of
teaching at the university of
accessor who is was published three or
accessor who is was published three or
accessor who is was published three or
four articles by now and she is
four articles by now and she is
four articles by now and she is
really specialist in the questions of
really specialist in the questions of
really specialist in the questions of
velar ocean identity and post-soviet
velar ocean identity and post-soviet
velar ocean identity and post-soviet
identity and knows
identity and knows
identity and knows
the region really well also the
the region really well also the
the region really well also the
institute for human sciences
institute for human sciences
institute for human sciences
and vienna is published in a curated
and vienna is published in a curated
and vienna is published in a curated
list
list
list
called chronicle from belarus and
called chronicle from belarus and
called chronicle from belarus and
they're updating their information
they're updating their information
they're updating their information
regularly and i hope i'll be
regularly and i hope i'll be
regularly and i hope i'll be
contributing to
contributing to
contributing to
this page as well
i'm really looking forward to that um so
i'm really looking forward to that um so
thinking about sort of
thinking about sort of
thinking about sort of
news sources i've seen that maybe aren't
news sources i've seen that maybe aren't
news sources i've seen that maybe aren't
quite as accurate or maybe have a
quite as accurate or maybe have a
quite as accurate or maybe have a
an interesting bias uh from our own
an interesting bias uh from our own
an interesting bias uh from our own
context are
context are
context are
we just talking about these twitter
we just talking about these twitter
we just talking about these twitter
lessons okay this is what we're talking
lessons okay this is what we're talking
lessons okay this is what we're talking
about they
about they
about they
uh seem pretty confused uh they like to
uh seem pretty confused uh they like to
uh seem pretty confused uh they like to
apply their own lens to the situation
apply their own lens to the situation
apply their own lens to the situation
and some of them think that this is
and some of them think that this is
and some of them think that this is
the nationalist takeover of a a social
the nationalist takeover of a a social
the nationalist takeover of a a social
estate
estate
estate
they think it might be some kind of plot
they think it might be some kind of plot
they think it might be some kind of plot
by the cia
by the cia
by the cia
so what would you tell this group of
so what would you tell this group of
so what would you tell this group of
people and how would you sort of assess
people and how would you sort of assess
people and how would you sort of assess
the status quo
the status quo
the status quo
of the belarusian process for them
of the belarusian process for them
of the belarusian process for them
well thank you for this question and i
well thank you for this question and i
well thank you for this question and i
have seen many interesting statements
have seen many interesting statements
have seen many interesting statements
made by the american leftists as well
made by the american leftists as well
made by the american leftists as well
but
but
but
as an educator i understand that
as an educator i understand that
as an educator i understand that
people synthetize the opinions about the
people synthetize the opinions about the
people synthetize the opinions about the
situation from the building blocks that
situation from the building blocks that
situation from the building blocks that
they have
they have
they have
and it's natural and i usually explain
and it's natural and i usually explain
and it's natural and i usually explain
it to my students and friends that the
it to my students and friends that the
it to my students and friends that the
words
words
words
socialism and nationalism in the
socialism and nationalism in the
socialism and nationalism in the
belarusian context mean slightly
belarusian context mean slightly
belarusian context mean slightly
different things
different things
different things
so to really assess the situation i
so to really assess the situation i
so to really assess the situation i
would not
would not
would not
use the terms of nationalist versus
use the terms of nationalist versus
use the terms of nationalist versus
post-nationalist revolution
post-nationalist revolution
post-nationalist revolution
in describing these events because the
in describing these events because the
in describing these events because the
situation
situation
situation
is more complicated and it is
is more complicated and it is
is more complicated and it is
complicated precisely because
complicated precisely because
complicated precisely because
the status of the belarusian language
the status of the belarusian language
the status of the belarusian language
and culture
and culture
and culture
is assessed as vulnerable not endangered
is assessed as vulnerable not endangered
is assessed as vulnerable not endangered
not
not
not
threatened but still vulnerable we have
threatened but still vulnerable we have
threatened but still vulnerable we have
the belarusian
the belarusian
the belarusian
like belarusian is not doing well as a
like belarusian is not doing well as a
like belarusian is not doing well as a
language so you have to
language so you have to
language so you have to
remember that also i don't think the
remember that also i don't think the
remember that also i don't think the
situation is confusing about the class
situation is confusing about the class
situation is confusing about the class
base
base
base
of this event because we have a
of this event because we have a
of this event because we have a
great solidarity and unification
great solidarity and unification
great solidarity and unification
literally across all the strategies of
literally across all the strategies of
literally across all the strategies of
society from
society from
society from
workers to intelligence and autism it
workers to intelligence and autism it
workers to intelligence and autism it
seems as a genuine
seems as a genuine
seems as a genuine
bipartisan movement for democratization
bipartisan movement for democratization
bipartisan movement for democratization
in the country
in the country
in the country
so this would be my answer yeah that's
so this would be my answer yeah that's
so this would be my answer yeah that's
great
great
great
um i think i think one of the problems
um i think i think one of the problems
um i think i think one of the problems
with that point of view is the sort of
with that point of view is the sort of
with that point of view is the sort of
reductive
reductive
reductive
class analysis without cultural context
class analysis without cultural context
class analysis without cultural context
so one of the other things i'm seeing
so one of the other things i'm seeing
so one of the other things i'm seeing
are lots of
are lots of
are lots of
um one of the interviews you did the the
um one of the interviews you did the the
um one of the interviews you did the the
interviewer just kept sort of suggesting
interviewer just kept sort of suggesting
interviewer just kept sort of suggesting
parallels and you had to sort of choose
parallels and you had to sort of choose
parallels and you had to sort of choose
them down so there can be some
them down so there can be some
them down so there can be some
inaccurate or even harmful comparisons
inaccurate or even harmful comparisons
inaccurate or even harmful comparisons
that we're seeing right now
that we're seeing right now
that we're seeing right now
um so what are some good comparisons we
um so what are some good comparisons we
um so what are some good comparisons we
could be making what are some accurate
could be making what are some accurate
could be making what are some accurate
or appropriate
or appropriate
or appropriate
historic or contemporary parallels to be
historic or contemporary parallels to be
historic or contemporary parallels to be
making
making
making
well i'm still thinking about it and i
well i'm still thinking about it and i
well i'm still thinking about it and i
think that the belarusian
think that the belarusian
think that the belarusian
current situation is very
current situation is very
current situation is very
different from everything that i know
different from everything that i know
different from everything that i know
but it's also similar to some situations
but it's also similar to some situations
but it's also similar to some situations
the polish solidarity instantly comes to
the polish solidarity instantly comes to
the polish solidarity instantly comes to
mind because you have workers strike and
mind because you have workers strike and
mind because you have workers strike and
you're they're using the same song by
you're they're using the same song by
you're they're using the same song by
yazik kashmarsky which in itself
yazik kashmarsky which in itself
yazik kashmarsky which in itself
is a revolutionary song of the catalan
is a revolutionary song of the catalan
is a revolutionary song of the catalan
resistance written by
resistance written by
resistance written by
lula solidarity
lula solidarity
lula solidarity
we could also compare it to
we could also compare it to
we could also compare it to
the ukrainian maidan and it's not the
the ukrainian maidan and it's not the
the ukrainian maidan and it's not the
same because there is no geopolitical
same because there is no geopolitical
same because there is no geopolitical
agenda
agenda
agenda
in this protest and they're largely
in this protest and they're largely
in this protest and they're largely
peaceful
peaceful
peaceful
um if we are compared to the armenian
um if we are compared to the armenian
um if we are compared to the armenian
situation
situation
situation
i think we would indulge in a wishful
i think we would indulge in a wishful
i think we would indulge in a wishful
thinking because everyone wishes for the
thinking because everyone wishes for the
thinking because everyone wishes for the
peaceful transition of power
peaceful transition of power
peaceful transition of power
but president alexander lukashenko
but president alexander lukashenko
but president alexander lukashenko
is not the same he would not give it up
is not the same he would not give it up
is not the same he would not give it up
peacefully and also armenia does
peacefully and also armenia does
peacefully and also armenia does
not have this border with the european
not have this border with the european
not have this border with the european
union it is a slightly different
union it is a slightly different
union it is a slightly different
geopolitical situation
i don't know if you have seen or two
i don't know if you have seen or two
images of president alexander lukashenko
images of president alexander lukashenko
images of president alexander lukashenko
holding a machine gun floating around
holding a machine gun floating around
holding a machine gun floating around
past two weekends so the comparison with
past two weekends so the comparison with
past two weekends so the comparison with
qadhafi's regime
qadhafi's regime
qadhafi's regime
and other you know totalitarian regimes
and other you know totalitarian regimes
and other you know totalitarian regimes
also comes to mind
also comes to mind
also comes to mind
but so far i think there was an osmosis
but so far i think there was an osmosis
but so far i think there was an osmosis
of the protest techniques
of the protest techniques
of the protest techniques
but the situation itself is very unique
but the situation itself is very unique
but the situation itself is very unique
and
and
and
might set a precedent for the emergence
might set a precedent for the emergence
might set a precedent for the emergence
of the
of the
of the
revolution of a different kind
well so pulling back to your mention of
well so pulling back to your mention of
these
these
these
machine gun photos which are getting a
machine gun photos which are getting a
machine gun photos which are getting a
lot of of interest
lot of of interest
lot of of interest
um and the comparison to gaddafi i mean
um and the comparison to gaddafi i mean
um and the comparison to gaddafi i mean
uh
uh
uh
one of the implications there is that
one of the implications there is that
one of the implications there is that
there could be a a very violent end to
there could be a a very violent end to
there could be a a very violent end to
what's going on right now that's always
what's going on right now that's always
what's going on right now that's always
sort of at the back of the situation
sort of at the back of the situation
sort of at the back of the situation
um which brings me to my i guess
um which brings me to my i guess
um which brings me to my i guess
set of expertise i i work on the gulag i
set of expertise i i work on the gulag i
set of expertise i i work on the gulag i
um
um
um
i started off in doing human rights
i started off in doing human rights
i started off in doing human rights
internships i was in moscow
internships i was in moscow
internships i was in moscow
translating reports about police
translating reports about police
translating reports about police
kidnappings in the caucuses and so
kidnappings in the caucuses and so
kidnappings in the caucuses and so
when i look at the situation i i see the
when i look at the situation i i see the
when i look at the situation i i see the
protests and the brutality that's
protests and the brutality that's
protests and the brutality that's
happening there it's
happening there it's
happening there it's
it's not unfamiliar you know like it's
it's not unfamiliar you know like it's
it's not unfamiliar you know like it's
horrifying but i've seen it
horrifying but i've seen it
horrifying but i've seen it
things like this happen before and so
things like this happen before and so
things like this happen before and so
you know let's talk about the
you know let's talk about the
you know let's talk about the
people that have disappeared without a
people that have disappeared without a
people that have disappeared without a
trace i think over 100 people so far
trace i think over 100 people so far
trace i think over 100 people so far
at yesterday's protest at least 200
at yesterday's protest at least 200
at yesterday's protest at least 200
people were detained and interrogated
people were detained and interrogated
people were detained and interrogated
pretty brutally um from what we can tell
pretty brutally um from what we can tell
pretty brutally um from what we can tell
and so it's kind of odd that
and so it's kind of odd that
and so it's kind of odd that
you know focusing on all these these uh
you know focusing on all these these uh
you know focusing on all these these uh
the women's protests and the
the women's protests and the
the women's protests and the
the beautiful things that are happening
the beautiful things that are happening
the beautiful things that are happening
it's odd that we don't really talk about
it's odd that we don't really talk about
it's odd that we don't really talk about
the violence that's underlying a lot of
the violence that's underlying a lot of
the violence that's underlying a lot of
these events that really underlies
these events that really underlies
these events that really underlies
lukashenko's entire regime so
lukashenko's entire regime so
lukashenko's entire regime so
can we talk about that why do you think
can we talk about that why do you think
can we talk about that why do you think
it's happening and what
it's happening and what
it's happening and what
how can we assess these violations of
how can we assess these violations of
how can we assess these violations of
human rights
so this is perhaps the most
so this is perhaps the most
underreported
underreported
underreported
aspect of the lukashenko regime because
aspect of the lukashenko regime because
aspect of the lukashenko regime because
we do have the massive
we do have the massive
we do have the massive
tortures that are still happening in
tortures that are still happening in
tortures that are still happening in
jail four people
jail four people
jail four people
are dead and it is nearly impossible to
are dead and it is nearly impossible to
are dead and it is nearly impossible to
count the wounded and the missing people
count the wounded and the missing people
count the wounded and the missing people
because the count
because the count
because the count
is always always changing and i
is always always changing and i
is always always changing and i
am monitoring telegram chairs of visna
am monitoring telegram chairs of visna
am monitoring telegram chairs of visna
human rights organization etc um
human rights organization etc um
human rights organization etc um
it is also perhaps the central question
it is also perhaps the central question
it is also perhaps the central question
to
to
to
why it has happened and i do not think i
why it has happened and i do not think i
why it has happened and i do not think i
have a complete answer but i have some
have a complete answer but i have some
have a complete answer but i have some
answers
answers
answers
first of all these levels of violence
first of all these levels of violence
first of all these levels of violence
already existed in the belarusian
already existed in the belarusian
already existed in the belarusian
society in various forms
society in various forms
society in various forms
in forms of domestic abuse in
in forms of domestic abuse in
in forms of domestic abuse in
forms of the prison tortures that were
forms of the prison tortures that were
forms of the prison tortures that were
going on for many years
going on for many years
going on for many years
in forms of murder of the political
in forms of murder of the political
in forms of murder of the political
opponents of the president lukashenko it
opponents of the president lukashenko it
opponents of the president lukashenko it
is not new but it is as if somebody
is not new but it is as if somebody
is not new but it is as if somebody
turned the volume up and we can no
turned the volume up and we can no
turned the volume up and we can no
longer bear it
longer bear it
longer bear it
also there is some problem with the
also there is some problem with the
also there is some problem with the
legal
legal
legal
definition of torture and the
definition of torture and the
definition of torture and the
legislation that comes from it
legislation that comes from it
legislation that comes from it
and the human rights organization have
and the human rights organization have
and the human rights organization have
been trying to bring attention to this
been trying to bring attention to this
been trying to bring attention to this
problem for a very very long time
problem for a very very long time
problem for a very very long time
the legislation as such has not been
the legislation as such has not been
the legislation as such has not been
updated
updated
updated
lastly the there was no decommunization
lastly the there was no decommunization
lastly the there was no decommunization
on belarus and therefore its sacred
on belarus and therefore its sacred
on belarus and therefore its sacred
police is operating in the very same way
police is operating in the very same way
police is operating in the very same way
it has been operating since the 1930s
it has been operating since the 1930s
it has been operating since the 1930s
these forms of violence repeat again and
these forms of violence repeat again and
these forms of violence repeat again and
again
again
again
and lastly we already know that the
and lastly we already know that the
and lastly we already know that the
human beings
human beings
human beings
when they're situated in specific
when they're situated in specific
when they're situated in specific
conditions where they have no
conditions where they have no
conditions where they have no
accountability for their actions they
accountability for their actions they
accountability for their actions they
can
can
can
act really ugly and something like the
act really ugly and something like the
act really ugly and something like the
stanford prison experiment comes to mind
stanford prison experiment comes to mind
stanford prison experiment comes to mind
so this is something that people will be
so this is something that people will be
so this is something that people will be
really working on and sorting through
really working on and sorting through
really working on and sorting through
for a very very long time
well another comparison we can bring in
well another comparison we can bring in
there is
there is
there is
to to the nazi occupation of belarus
to to the nazi occupation of belarus
to to the nazi occupation of belarus
this is a really huge part of belarusian
this is a really huge part of belarusian
this is a really huge part of belarusian
cultural
cultural
cultural
history cultural trauma really so what
history cultural trauma really so what
history cultural trauma really so what
extent did what were to impact the
extent did what were to impact the
extent did what were to impact the
country why are these comparisons
country why are these comparisons
country why are these comparisons
emerging
so this is indeed the most popular
so this is indeed the most popular
parallel to the nazi occupation
parallel to the nazi occupation
parallel to the nazi occupation
and many reports come out right now
and many reports come out right now
and many reports come out right now
saying that we woke up as if
saying that we woke up as if
saying that we woke up as if
under the occupation time and again
under the occupation time and again
under the occupation time and again
the only problem that i have with this
the only problem that i have with this
the only problem that i have with this
comparison is that
comparison is that
comparison is that
it presupposes that your enemy is
it presupposes that your enemy is
it presupposes that your enemy is
external
external
external
and the enemy of the belarusian people
and the enemy of the belarusian people
and the enemy of the belarusian people
is internal
is internal
is internal
and she's a part of the society also
and she's a part of the society also
and she's a part of the society also
stalinism
stalinism
stalinism
is not taught in schools the way that
is not taught in schools the way that
is not taught in schools the way that
world war ii is and there is a big
world war ii is and there is a big
world war ii is and there is a big
japanese department
japanese department
japanese department
but the nasa occupation is a lived
but the nasa occupation is a lived
but the nasa occupation is a lived
experience and is in the belarusian
experience and is in the belarusian
experience and is in the belarusian
memory
memory
memory
and for many people it is different
and for many people it is different
and for many people it is different
compared to other places in the world
compared to other places in the world
compared to other places in the world
and i can tell you that
and i can tell you that
and i can tell you that
as a child i growing up in the 80s and
as a child i growing up in the 80s and
as a child i growing up in the 80s and
the provincial belarusian town i
the provincial belarusian town i
the provincial belarusian town i
frequently had nightmares about the
frequently had nightmares about the
frequently had nightmares about the
nazis
nazis
nazis
it just impacted me that much and i
it just impacted me that much and i
it just impacted me that much and i
think
think
think
this is the very same story for many
this is the very same story for many
this is the very same story for many
people and i hope you guys
people and i hope you guys
people and i hope you guys
had a chance to check out the
had a chance to check out the
had a chance to check out the
non-fiction work by tatiana
non-fiction work by tatiana
non-fiction work by tatiana
zumirovsky who collected the dreams of
zumirovsky who collected the dreams of
zumirovsky who collected the dreams of
the belarusian people about lukashan
the belarusian people about lukashan
the belarusian people about lukashan
was very interesting that's when i sent
was very interesting that's when i sent
was very interesting that's when i sent
to everyone i was like you have to look
to everyone i was like you have to look
to everyone i was like you have to look
at this this is so wild
at this this is so wild
at this this is so wild
um i thought it was really uh wonderful
um i thought it was really uh wonderful
um i thought it was really uh wonderful
how open people were
how open people were
how open people were
about their dreams looking at her work
about their dreams looking at her work
about their dreams looking at her work
she she documents people's dreams about
she she documents people's dreams about
she she documents people's dreams about
lukashenka so it's really interesting
lukashenka so it's really interesting
lukashenka so it's really interesting
um so it's it's very revealing of the
um so it's it's very revealing of the
um so it's it's very revealing of the
sort of natural psychology that you talk
sort of natural psychology that you talk
sort of natural psychology that you talk
about
about
about
um so thinking about this i mean
um so thinking about this i mean
um so thinking about this i mean
trauma in the long term we know that
trauma in the long term we know that
trauma in the long term we know that
there's going to be a lot to deal with
there's going to be a lot to deal with
there's going to be a lot to deal with
but what's
but what's
but what's
in the short term what are the sort of
in the short term what are the sort of
in the short term what are the sort of
what's happening next on the ground
what's happening next on the ground
what's happening next on the ground
well i have to also explain that i'm an
well i have to also explain that i'm an
well i have to also explain that i'm an
immigrant and i'm not a political
immigrant and i'm not a political
immigrant and i'm not a political
science specialist i
science specialist i
science specialist i
know mostly about the belarusian culture
know mostly about the belarusian culture
know mostly about the belarusian culture
but
but
but
the most obvious short-term
the most obvious short-term
the most obvious short-term
predictions are like first of all there
predictions are like first of all there
predictions are like first of all there
will be a huge economic crisis
will be a huge economic crisis
will be a huge economic crisis
it's already been underway because of
it's already been underway because of
it's already been underway because of
the covet
the covet
the covet
situation and it will strike the country
situation and it will strike the country
situation and it will strike the country
really hard
really hard
really hard
also they will have a very strong
also they will have a very strong
also they will have a very strong
second wave of the covet pandemic
second wave of the covet pandemic
second wave of the covet pandemic
because the country has not been in
because the country has not been in
because the country has not been in
quarantine
quarantine
quarantine
at all no one is wearing masks you have
at all no one is wearing masks you have
at all no one is wearing masks you have
mass protests going on so you can
mass protests going on so you can
mass protests going on so you can
imagine
imagine
imagine
um now i also know that president
um now i also know that president
um now i also know that president
lukashenko would not give up power
lukashenko would not give up power
lukashenko would not give up power
peacefully
peacefully
peacefully
or willingly and he is delusional and
or willingly and he is delusional and
or willingly and he is delusional and
extremely dangerous right now
extremely dangerous right now
extremely dangerous right now
so the situation but the situation
so the situation but the situation
so the situation but the situation
remains fluid and it's really hard to
remains fluid and it's really hard to
remains fluid and it's really hard to
make these types of predictions for the
make these types of predictions for the
make these types of predictions for the
transition of power
transition of power
transition of power
sure so yeah i think that this whole
sure so yeah i think that this whole
sure so yeah i think that this whole
conversation that we're having is really
conversation that we're having is really
conversation that we're having is really
indicative of how difficult
indicative of how difficult
indicative of how difficult
difficult it is to sort of frame
difficult it is to sort of frame
difficult it is to sort of frame
discursively the event as it's happening
discursively the event as it's happening
discursively the event as it's happening
and we're inside of it as well so
and we're inside of it as well so
and we're inside of it as well so
as we're trying to find out the reasons
as we're trying to find out the reasons
as we're trying to find out the reasons
why things are happening how are we
why things are happening how are we
why things are happening how are we
preserving what's happening at the same
preserving what's happening at the same
preserving what's happening at the same
time
time
time
for example here in the states we've
for example here in the states we've
for example here in the states we've
been preserving the library of congress
been preserving the library of congress
been preserving the library of congress
is saving
is saving
is saving
graffiti from black lives matter
graffiti from black lives matter
graffiti from black lives matter
protests
protests
protests
what are we saving right now from
what are we saving right now from
what are we saving right now from
belarus
belarus
belarus
so i'm just going to talk quickly about
so i'm just going to talk quickly about
so i'm just going to talk quickly about
the initiatives that i know
the initiatives that i know
the initiatives that i know
that are happening um the berkeley
that are happening um the berkeley
that are happening um the berkeley
librarian leela darpanzo who used to
librarian leela darpanzo who used to
librarian leela darpanzo who used to
work
work
work
with us at ucla is currently trying to
with us at ucla is currently trying to
with us at ucla is currently trying to
preserve
preserve
preserve
all the websites and all the news that
all the websites and all the news that
all the websites and all the news that
have been posted and i've been
have been posted and i've been
have been posted and i've been
submitting several links to him
submitting several links to him
submitting several links to him
also the belarusian translation journal
also the belarusian translation journal
also the belarusian translation journal
sweet are collecting posters of the
sweet are collecting posters of the
sweet are collecting posters of the
protests and trying to build this
protests and trying to build this
protests and trying to build this
collection
collection
collection
and i started building a protest music
and i started building a protest music
and i started building a protest music
archive
archive
archive
downloading all the videos i can find
downloading all the videos i can find
downloading all the videos i can find
and organizing them and i think i'll be
and organizing them and i think i'll be
and organizing them and i think i'll be
ready to
ready to
ready to
release it as a website in a couple of
release it as a website in a couple of
release it as a website in a couple of
months
months
months
wow that's fantastic i'm really looking
wow that's fantastic i'm really looking
wow that's fantastic i'm really looking
forward to that um
forward to that um
forward to that um
so how about we look at some of the
so how about we look at some of the
so how about we look at some of the
stuff you have um
stuff you have um
stuff you have um
collected so far you talked about music
collected so far you talked about music
collected so far you talked about music
but there's all kinds of cultural
but there's all kinds of cultural
but there's all kinds of cultural
responses that we could be looking at
responses that we could be looking at
responses that we could be looking at
literature
literature
literature
visual art all kinds of things
i'll just try to use the time that
i'll just try to use the time that
remains to advertise
remains to advertise
remains to advertise
some aspects of the belarusian culture
some aspects of the belarusian culture
some aspects of the belarusian culture
but i'm afraid we might
but i'm afraid we might
but i'm afraid we might
not have the in-depth time to go over
not have the in-depth time to go over
not have the in-depth time to go over
them
them
them
first of all there is a lot of
first of all there is a lot of
first of all there is a lot of
literature in translation that has
literature in translation that has
literature in translation that has
recently appeared
recently appeared
recently appeared
and you have to understand the special
and you have to understand the special
and you have to understand the special
role that the translators have in this
role that the translators have in this
role that the translators have in this
society
society
society
swedland hanover herself is a translator
swedland hanover herself is a translator
swedland hanover herself is a translator
and she learned
and she learned
and she learned
english as a child as a child noble
english as a child as a child noble
english as a child as a child noble
child visiting the great britain um
child visiting the great britain um
child visiting the great britain um
one of the most important ports of today
one of the most important ports of today
one of the most important ports of today
is
is
is
valjean amorto is an american belarusian
valjean amorto is an american belarusian
valjean amorto is an american belarusian
poet and she just published a wonderful
poet and she just published a wonderful
poet and she just published a wonderful
wonderful poem in new york
wonderful poem in new york
wonderful poem in new york
called to antigone and dispatch
called to antigone and dispatch
called to antigone and dispatch
it was also translated to russian by
it was also translated to russian by
it was also translated to russian by
galina rimbo
galina rimbo
galina rimbo
who is a wonderful poet to follow and
who is a wonderful poet to follow and
who is a wonderful poet to follow and
published on kolta and you know that the
published on kolta and you know that the
published on kolta and you know that the
editor of the cultural
editor of the cultural
editor of the cultural
section of quota is a best friend of
section of quota is a best friend of
section of quota is a best friend of
wikileaks
wikileaks
wikileaks
so it's a circle of the same people
so it's a circle of the same people
so it's a circle of the same people
working
working
working
moving culture around there are also two
moving culture around there are also two
moving culture around there are also two
poems by dmitry strotz if one is
poems by dmitry strotz if one is
poems by dmitry strotz if one is
translated by
translated by
translated by
the ucsd professor emilia blazer
the ucsd professor emilia blazer
the ucsd professor emilia blazer
and the other one is translated by the
and the other one is translated by the
and the other one is translated by the
russian
russian
russian
reader and i'm not sure who is behind it
reader and i'm not sure who is behind it
reader and i'm not sure who is behind it
it's anonymous translation
it's anonymous translation
it's anonymous translation
um there is one more translation of hana
um there is one more translation of hana
um there is one more translation of hana
severinian's
severinian's
severinian's
um protest from the stun grenade done by
um protest from the stun grenade done by
um protest from the stun grenade done by
the british translator jim dingling
the british translator jim dingling
the british translator jim dingling
which will be published
which will be published
which will be published
very very soon and while general moore
very very soon and while general moore
very very soon and while general moore
translated you like
translated you like
translated you like
my favorite poem the stone of fear which
my favorite poem the stone of fear which
my favorite poem the stone of fear which
i calculated as a link and it is a
i calculated as a link and it is a
i calculated as a link and it is a
powerful poem
powerful poem
powerful poem
and julia is one of the most
and julia is one of the most
and julia is one of the most
interesting belarusian poets working
interesting belarusian poets working
interesting belarusian poets working
today
today
today
as well as her husband alhair bahari
as well as her husband alhair bahari
as well as her husband alhair bahari
edition we just received the news that
edition we just received the news that
edition we just received the news that
the translation of
the translation of
the translation of
his book the children of alien dark will
his book the children of alien dark will
his book the children of alien dark will
come out in english
come out in english
come out in english
in september also tatiana zemierovska
in september also tatiana zemierovska
in september also tatiana zemierovska
whom we mentioned
whom we mentioned
whom we mentioned
who is a fantastic author and she
who is a fantastic author and she
who is a fantastic author and she
graduated
graduated
graduated
from the creative writing program at
from the creative writing program at
from the creative writing program at
bards college
bards college
bards college
there is also a new belarusian protest
there is also a new belarusian protest
there is also a new belarusian protest
poetry collection
poetry collection
poetry collection
in russian translated by gennady
in russian translated by gennady
in russian translated by gennady
kanyevsky and i will send you the link
kanyevsky and i will send you the link
kanyevsky and i will send you the link
that's been published by paulo tona
that's been published by paulo tona
that's been published by paulo tona
journal
journal
journal
so this is our poetry situation and i
so this is our poetry situation and i
so this is our poetry situation and i
will quickly show you the visual arts
will quickly show you the visual arts
will quickly show you the visual arts
and a snippet of a song okay
and a snippet of a song okay
and a snippet of a song okay
so i've been kind of looking for what is
so i've been kind of looking for what is
so i've been kind of looking for what is
happening in the art world
happening in the art world
happening in the art world
and how the artists respond and i think
and how the artists respond and i think
and how the artists respond and i think
i found
i found
i found
the essence of the visual style emerging
the essence of the visual style emerging
the essence of the visual style emerging
today
today
today
um the image on your left is famous now
um the image on your left is famous now
um the image on your left is famous now
ruthina baslov a prague based artist who
ruthina baslov a prague based artist who
ruthina baslov a prague based artist who
embroidered the revolution and i
embroidered the revolution and i
embroidered the revolution and i
recommend to all the students to check
recommend to all the students to check
recommend to all the students to check
out her instagram account because she
out her instagram account because she
out her instagram account because she
does very interesting work
does very interesting work
does very interesting work
the artwork on your left is antonina
the artwork on your left is antonina
the artwork on your left is antonina
slabotchuko
slabotchuko
slabotchuko
from maine's school has created the
from maine's school has created the
from maine's school has created the
imagery of the revolution used by
imagery of the revolution used by
imagery of the revolution used by
millions of people and this is from u.s
millions of people and this is from u.s
millions of people and this is from u.s
graphic work and tony
graphic work and tony
graphic work and tony
is indeed a very talented artist and
is indeed a very talented artist and
is indeed a very talented artist and
then i added two more men
then i added two more men
then i added two more men
this is a palindrome by nikolai khalid
this is a palindrome by nikolai khalid
this is a palindrome by nikolai khalid
and who is more known
and who is more known
and who is more known
as a founder of the free theater company
as a founder of the free theater company
as a founder of the free theater company
which is based in london
which is based in london
which is based in london
and the palindrome roughly translates
and the palindrome roughly translates
and the palindrome roughly translates
sagna galway as romania of us
sagna galway as romania of us
sagna galway as romania of us
and also to your right is the work by
and also to your right is the work by
and also to your right is the work by
vladimir cesler from means called the
vladimir cesler from means called the
vladimir cesler from means called the
famous conceptualist artist
famous conceptualist artist
famous conceptualist artist
and um this one work is just wonderful
and um this one work is just wonderful
and um this one work is just wonderful
it says
it says
it says
in this house on these days with lana
in this house on these days with lana
in this house on these days with lana
lexia which
lexia which
lexia which
the nobel award price recipient and
the nobel award price recipient and
the nobel award price recipient and
literature has been
literature has been
literature has been
interrogated because it's true she was
interrogated because it's true she was
interrogated because it's true she was
summoned for interrogation
summoned for interrogation
summoned for interrogation
and the other work shows you the coat of
and the other work shows you the coat of
and the other work shows you the coat of
arms of the belarusian socialist
arms of the belarusian socialist
arms of the belarusian socialist
republic
republic
republic
with a funeral ribbon and this reverse
with a funeral ribbon and this reverse
with a funeral ribbon and this reverse
chronology kind of expresses tesla's
chronology kind of expresses tesla's
chronology kind of expresses tesla's
sentiment about the lucas anchor regime
sentiment about the lucas anchor regime
sentiment about the lucas anchor regime
and the year 1937 of course being very
and the year 1937 of course being very
and the year 1937 of course being very
significant in belarusian history
significant in belarusian history
significant in belarusian history
because this is the year when the
because this is the year when the
because this is the year when the
belarusian intelligence
belarusian intelligence
belarusian intelligence
was almost entirely wiped out by
was almost entirely wiped out by
was almost entirely wiped out by
the purges um i also
the purges um i also
the purges um i also
just want to show you quickly how
just want to show you quickly how
just want to show you quickly how
belarusians adopt the famous music and
belarusians adopt the famous music and
belarusians adopt the famous music and
make their own statements
make their own statements
make their own statements
i think most of the students know victor
i think most of the students know victor
i think most of the students know victor
tsouison pirimian which
tsouison pirimian which
tsouison pirimian which
became really the soundtrack of this
became really the soundtrack of this
became really the soundtrack of this
revolution but
revolution but
revolution but
in my work archiving the music this is
in my work archiving the music this is
in my work archiving the music this is
the only russian song and the rest of
the only russian song and the rest of
the only russian song and the rest of
belarusian
belarusian
belarusian
and this is how the russians have
and this is how the russians have
and this is how the russians have
adapted
adapted
adapted
so experience did you guys see this
so experience did you guys see this
so experience did you guys see this
video yet
video yet
video yet
this is new this is the most most famous
this is new this is the most most famous
this is new this is the most most famous
viral
viral
viral
video circulating around the internet
video circulating around the internet
video circulating around the internet
and i hope that you can hear the sound
so it starts playing in the corner can
so it starts playing in the corner can
you see that and you can hit the
you see that and you can hit the
you see that and you can hit the
the video to make it go full screen from
the video to make it go full screen from
the video to make it go full screen from
the corner
the corner
the corner
oh okay yeah just right
[Music]
[Music]
okay so what i want the point which i
okay so what i want the point which i
okay so what i want the point which i
wanted to
wanted to
wanted to
make about this video is first of all
make about this video is first of all
make about this video is first of all
look at these instruments
look at these instruments
look at these instruments
thousands of people share this on
thousands of people share this on
thousands of people share this on
facebook without knowing that this is
facebook without knowing that this is
facebook without knowing that this is
not a scottish pile
not a scottish pile
not a scottish pile
but the belarusian our friendship
but the belarusian our friendship
but the belarusian our friendship
musical instrument which comes from the
musical instrument which comes from the
musical instrument which comes from the
traditional culture
traditional culture
traditional culture
and it existed as early as the
and it existed as early as the
and it existed as early as the
and the most important works of the
and the most important works of the
and the most important works of the
belarusian literature from the 19th
belarusian literature from the 19th
belarusian literature from the 19th
century anonymous poems to the poetry of
century anonymous poems to the poetry of
century anonymous poems to the poetry of
bianca kopala
bianca kopala
bianca kopala
and dudar the image of duder is really
and dudar the image of duder is really
and dudar the image of duder is really
this national poet the bardem you see
this national poet the bardem you see
this national poet the bardem you see
him on the screen so
him on the screen so
him on the screen so
this is the song of the revolution this
this is the song of the revolution this
this is the song of the revolution this
is choice content but
is choice content but
is choice content but
adapted to the local audience
adapted to the local audience
adapted to the local audience
and of course we had also seen the
and of course we had also seen the
and of course we had also seen the
circulation of many poems by yankokupala
circulation of many poems by yankokupala
circulation of many poems by yankokupala
and one of the links which i suggested
and one of the links which i suggested
and one of the links which i suggested
talks about
yesterday which is also very interesting
yesterday which is also very interesting
text text in itself and i
text text in itself and i
text text in itself and i
am sharing just briefly the screen right
am sharing just briefly the screen right
am sharing just briefly the screen right
now to explain
now to explain
now to explain
that it articulates to the outmost
that it articulates to the outmost
that it articulates to the outmost
degree the current belarusian
degree the current belarusian
degree the current belarusian
predicament
predicament
predicament
it is based on a sort of dialogue who
it is based on a sort of dialogue who
it is based on a sort of dialogue who
are you my own
are you my own
are you my own
a local what do you want about a lot
a local what do you want about a lot
a local what do you want about a lot
what what is that
what what is that
what what is that
bread and salt what yes what else land
bread and salt what yes what else land
bread and salt what yes what else land
in freedom where were you born in mount
in freedom where were you born in mount
in freedom where were you born in mount
village
village
village
were you baptized there by the roadside
were you baptized there by the roadside
were you baptized there by the roadside
with what you annoy anointed with blood
with what you annoy anointed with blood
with what you annoy anointed with blood
and sweat
and sweat
and sweat
what do you want to be not to be cattle
what do you want to be not to be cattle
what do you want to be not to be cattle
and
and
and
this is a message that the protesters
this is a message that the protesters
this is a message that the protesters
have been sending
have been sending
have been sending
out to the entire world and the
out to the entire world and the
out to the entire world and the
predicament that
predicament that
predicament that
many people can relate to and i would
many people can relate to and i would
many people can relate to and i would
like to finish
like to finish
like to finish
this talk with the images that lydia
this talk with the images that lydia
this talk with the images that lydia
took yesterday on hollywood boulevard
took yesterday on hollywood boulevard
took yesterday on hollywood boulevard
um capturing the belarusian protest
um capturing the belarusian protest
um capturing the belarusian protest
there in our own town and you see here
there in our own town and you see here
there in our own town and you see here
collision between the
collision between the
collision between the
black lives matter bike procession and
black lives matter bike procession and
black lives matter bike procession and
the belarusians
the belarusians
the belarusians
and i think lydia has a phenomenal
and i think lydia has a phenomenal
and i think lydia has a phenomenal
photographic sense
photographic sense
photographic sense
sensitivity and to create very good
sensitivity and to create very good
sensitivity and to create very good
pictures
okay and now if there are any questions
okay and now if there are any questions
i would be
i would be
i would be
we would be happy to take them
i believe we have a question from kim
i believe we have a question from kim
okay yes hi thank you for your lecture
okay yes hi thank you for your lecture
okay yes hi thank you for your lecture
um
um
um
i teach in the theater department
i teach in the theater department
i teach in the theater department
because i don't know most people here
because i don't know most people here
because i don't know most people here
um i'm just wondering about the role of
um i'm just wondering about the role of
um i'm just wondering about the role of
diaspora
diaspora
diaspora
at a grassroots level you mentioned
at a grassroots level you mentioned
at a grassroots level you mentioned
key academics journalists artists who
key academics journalists artists who
key academics journalists artists who
are
are
are
voicing and participating in this moment
voicing and participating in this moment
voicing and participating in this moment
in solidarity but i'm just wondering
in solidarity but i'm just wondering
in solidarity but i'm just wondering
more about the grassroots level response
more about the grassroots level response
more about the grassroots level response
from the esport community
from the esport community
from the esport community
thank you so the diaspora community has
thank you so the diaspora community has
thank you so the diaspora community has
been
been
been
more united than ever and raised about
more united than ever and raised about
more united than ever and raised about
two million dollars in a matter of
two million dollars in a matter of
two million dollars in a matter of
several weeks
several weeks
several weeks
um we have also seen the most
um we have also seen the most
um we have also seen the most
the largest protests outside of the u.s
the largest protests outside of the u.s
the largest protests outside of the u.s
that belarusian has ever done and i
that belarusian has ever done and i
that belarusian has ever done and i
can't even compare it to them
can't even compare it to them
can't even compare it to them
support maidan ukrainian protest i think
support maidan ukrainian protest i think
support maidan ukrainian protest i think
the turnout of the belarusian protest is
the turnout of the belarusian protest is
the turnout of the belarusian protest is
slightly larger
and also someone like ivanka avila who
and also someone like ivanka avila who
is the president of
is the president of
is the president of
rad of the russian people's republic
rad of the russian people's republic
rad of the russian people's republic
from 1918
from 1918
from 1918
she is very active and she wrote a
she is very active and she wrote a
she is very active and she wrote a
wonderful statement and this all the
wonderful statement and this all the
wonderful statement and this all the
immigration is welcoming the events and
immigration is welcoming the events and
immigration is welcoming the events and
helping
helping
helping
all they can
looks like we have a question from terry
looks like we have a question from terry
yes hi
yes hi
yes hi
uh thank you so much sasha for this
uh thank you so much sasha for this
uh thank you so much sasha for this
really comprehensive um
really comprehensive um
really comprehensive um
presentation i wanted to ask you i know
presentation i wanted to ask you i know
presentation i wanted to ask you i know
you're more into the cultural
you're more into the cultural
you're more into the cultural
um into the cultural dimension of this
um into the cultural dimension of this
um into the cultural dimension of this
but i wanted to ask
but i wanted to ask
but i wanted to ask
a more political question if if i can um
a more political question if if i can um
a more political question if if i can um
do you think that the us um in the name
do you think that the us um in the name
do you think that the us um in the name
of you know
of you know
of you know
restoring democracy or even just
restoring democracy or even just
restoring democracy or even just
establishing it there in belarus
establishing it there in belarus
establishing it there in belarus
can make a meaningful dent um
can make a meaningful dent um
can make a meaningful dent um
in terms of what's going on over there i
in terms of what's going on over there i
in terms of what's going on over there i
mean can
mean can
mean can
things be rectified um in a place
things be rectified um in a place
things be rectified um in a place
where you know it's close to russia you
where you know it's close to russia you
where you know it's close to russia you
have issues with the eu
have issues with the eu
have issues with the eu
can something meaningful be done thank
can something meaningful be done thank
can something meaningful be done thank
you
you
you
well i think that the international
well i think that the international
well i think that the international
community
community
community
and the us in particular can of course
and the us in particular can of course
and the us in particular can of course
help by providing the platform for
help by providing the platform for
help by providing the platform for
negotiations
negotiations
negotiations
listening to the transitional government
listening to the transitional government
listening to the transitional government
and
and
and
helping to facilitate the elections i
helping to facilitate the elections i
helping to facilitate the elections i
also think that the united states and a
also think that the united states and a
also think that the united states and a
very difficult
very difficult
very difficult
situation right now themselves with the
situation right now themselves with the
situation right now themselves with the
upcoming election
upcoming election
upcoming election
and i it is my fear that with this
and i it is my fear that with this
and i it is my fear that with this
looming domestic agenda it will be very
looming domestic agenda it will be very
looming domestic agenda it will be very
difficult to
difficult to
difficult to
get people to take some sort of action
get people to take some sort of action
get people to take some sort of action
but of course
but of course
but of course
um all kind of political presence
um all kind of political presence
um all kind of political presence
validation and just
validation and just
validation and just
discussion would help tremendously but i
discussion would help tremendously but i
discussion would help tremendously but i
would not be the person to ask to
would not be the person to ask to
would not be the person to ask to
introduce the sanctions or to to send
introduce the sanctions or to to send
introduce the sanctions or to to send
the military help
the military help
the military help
at the same time
how about cooper yes thank you guys
how about cooper yes thank you guys
thank you sasha so much for your
thank you sasha so much for your
thank you sasha so much for your
presentation it's really enlightening
presentation it's really enlightening
presentation it's really enlightening
um i was i'm interested in in the music
um i was i'm interested in in the music
um i was i'm interested in in the music
that you've
that you've
that you've
you've found uh in these protests the
you've found uh in these protests the
you've found uh in these protests the
soy song pity me
soy song pity me
soy song pity me
strikes me as a very interesting example
strikes me as a very interesting example
strikes me as a very interesting example
particularly because it comes from a
particularly because it comes from a
particularly because it comes from a
russian source
russian source
russian source
um i'm wondering if there are any other
um i'm wondering if there are any other
um i'm wondering if there are any other
what patterns you've seen
what patterns you've seen
what patterns you've seen
among the protest music um are there any
among the protest music um are there any
among the protest music um are there any
sources that strike you as particularly
sources that strike you as particularly
sources that strike you as particularly
interesting
interesting
interesting
what are the sources are they folk songs
what are the sources are they folk songs
what are the sources are they folk songs
are they pop songs
are they pop songs
are they pop songs
thank you so much so by now i think
thank you so much so by now i think
thank you so much so by now i think
there is about
there is about
there is about
recently compiled
recently compiled
recently compiled
in a protest songbook already published
in a protest songbook already published
in a protest songbook already published
and distributed by free by
and distributed by free by
and distributed by free by
very interesting ethnomusicologist
who has been working on this campaign of
who has been working on this campaign of
returning the song to
returning the song to
returning the song to
his people and so espirimena is the only
his people and so espirimena is the only
his people and so espirimena is the only
russian song on this list
russian song on this list
russian song on this list
um the rest include the belarusian folk
um the rest include the belarusian folk
um the rest include the belarusian folk
songs
songs
songs
the older anthem songs to the songs
the older anthem songs to the songs
the older anthem songs to the songs
composed to the lyrics of the belarusian
composed to the lyrics of the belarusian
composed to the lyrics of the belarusian
poets
poets
poets
and of course um the solidarities on
and of course um the solidarities on
and of course um the solidarities on
murray is the polished one that is
murray is the polished one that is
murray is the polished one that is
present
present
present
the rest of belarus and both folk and
the rest of belarus and both folk and
the rest of belarus and both folk and
non-folk
i'm just adding a link to his song book
i'm just adding a link to his song book
to the facebook post for his song book
to the facebook post for his song book
to the facebook post for his song book
in the chat so everyone can check that
in the chat so everyone can check that
in the chat so everyone can check that
out if they're interested
out if they're interested
out if they're interested
that's a really cool one this was just
that's a really cool one this was just
that's a really cool one this was just
released yesterday
you have a question from roman also yeah
you have a question from roman also yeah
i'm just curious um for the maidan in
i'm just curious um for the maidan in
i'm just curious um for the maidan in
ukraine
ukraine
ukraine
uh the song of the day was lapid
uh the song of the day was lapid
uh the song of the day was lapid
strubetzkoy's
strubetzkoy's
strubetzkoy's
uh uh uh anthem and lapis stupid square
uh uh uh anthem and lapis stupid square
uh uh uh anthem and lapis stupid square
of course is a bella russian band
of course is a bella russian band
of course is a bella russian band
uh what did the uh biel russian um
situa the the demonstrations so forth
situa the the demonstrations so forth
take from the ukrainian
take from the ukrainian
take from the ukrainian
maidan in terms of its uh
maidan in terms of its uh
maidan in terms of its uh
in terms of art music
in terms of art music
in terms of art music
and so forth so um
and so forth so um
and so forth so um
i will probably break up this question
i will probably break up this question
i will probably break up this question
into and thank you for the question
into and thank you for the question
into and thank you for the question
professor karapi
professor karapi
professor karapi
um first of all belarusian
um first of all belarusian
um first of all belarusian
protests are not similar to maidan and
protests are not similar to maidan and
protests are not similar to maidan and
they're dissimilar in a number of ways
they're dissimilar in a number of ways
they're dissimilar in a number of ways
and i understand that many of my
and i understand that many of my
and i understand that many of my
ukrainian friends and colleagues when
ukrainian friends and colleagues when
ukrainian friends and colleagues when
they see this happen
they see this happen
they see this happen
and they do have some kind of ptsd and
and they do have some kind of ptsd and
and they do have some kind of ptsd and
they
they
they
keep advising like this journalist war
keep advising like this journalist war
keep advising like this journalist war
journalist arkady baptian
journalist arkady baptian
journalist arkady baptian
keep fighting you have to burn some
keep fighting you have to burn some
keep fighting you have to burn some
tires you'll never have freedom if you
tires you'll never have freedom if you
tires you'll never have freedom if you
don't suffer you have to kill someone
don't suffer you have to kill someone
don't suffer you have to kill someone
but
but
but
it is a it is a different country in a
it is a it is a different country in a
it is a it is a different country in a
different situation
different situation
different situation
um they have taken the word karate for
um they have taken the word karate for
um they have taken the word karate for
sure
sure
sure
um they have
um they have
um they have
taken this stance of solidarity you know
taken this stance of solidarity you know
taken this stance of solidarity you know
like i think okay the probably the most
like i think okay the probably the most
like i think okay the probably the most
closest parallel to madan
closest parallel to madan
closest parallel to madan
is the creation of water
is the creation of water
is the creation of water
is called an anthropology community it
is called an anthropology community it
is called an anthropology community it
is a term introduced by emil durham when
is a term introduced by emil durham when
is a term introduced by emil durham when
people come together and there is
people come together and there is
people come together and there is
this kind of like situation of the
this kind of like situation of the
this kind of like situation of the
social meltdown when hierarchies
social meltdown when hierarchies
social meltdown when hierarchies
disappear and everyone's brother and
disappear and everyone's brother and
disappear and everyone's brother and
sister enchanted together
sister enchanted together
sister enchanted together
so effervescence humanitas that is very
so effervescence humanitas that is very
so effervescence humanitas that is very
similar it's also similar to many
similar it's also similar to many
similar it's also similar to many
protests across the world
protests across the world
protests across the world
um lapis tropics coy is an interesting
um lapis tropics coy is an interesting
um lapis tropics coy is an interesting
example
example
example
the name of the band leader is sergey
the name of the band leader is sergey
the name of the band leader is sergey
mikhalog
mikhalog
mikhalog
and he indeed wrote the most important
and he indeed wrote the most important
and he indeed wrote the most important
track of the ukrainian revolution
track of the ukrainian revolution
track of the ukrainian revolution
buenos viet which was by the way in
buenos viet which was by the way in
buenos viet which was by the way in
russian
russian
russian
he's also fought for many years for the
he's also fought for many years for the
he's also fought for many years for the
belarusian culture and recorded songs in
belarusian culture and recorded songs in
belarusian culture and recorded songs in
belarusian
belarusian
belarusian
um michalog disappeared for three weeks
um michalog disappeared for three weeks
um michalog disappeared for three weeks
and didn't make a statement and the only
and didn't make a statement and the only
and didn't make a statement and the only
song which was taken from
song which was taken from
song which was taken from
him was clear basoli this poem
him was clear basoli this poem
him was clear basoli this poem
that i showed the which he wrote to
that i showed the which he wrote to
that i showed the which he wrote to
young
young
young
palace verse and he made a beautiful
palace verse and he made a beautiful
palace verse and he made a beautiful
music video people seen that
music video people seen that
music video people seen that
and he just suddenly reemerged i think
and he just suddenly reemerged i think
and he just suddenly reemerged i think
two days ago
two days ago
two days ago
with a new song for the belarusians
with a new song for the belarusians
with a new song for the belarusians
but he is he has already lost his
but he is he has already lost his
but he is he has already lost his
moral authority as the music artist of
moral authority as the music artist of
moral authority as the music artist of
the protest and people love him and they
the protest and people love him and they
the protest and people love him and they
respect his legacy but he is also not in
respect his legacy but he is also not in
respect his legacy but he is also not in
belarus he is in ukraine
belarus he is in ukraine
belarus he is in ukraine
and he's been silent for too long
um i was wondering if you think there
um i was wondering if you think there
might be any analogs for the outcome
might be any analogs for the outcome
might be any analogs for the outcome
to venezuela where the west and most of
to venezuela where the west and most of
to venezuela where the west and most of
the world
the world
the world
ended up recognizing one ruler and
ended up recognizing one ruler and
ended up recognizing one ruler and
russia recognizing
russia recognizing
russia recognizing
a separate ruler and there being
a separate ruler and there being
a separate ruler and there being
somewhat of a
somewhat of a
somewhat of a
separate government or shadow government
separate government or shadow government
separate government or shadow government
melissa thank you for the question it is
melissa thank you for the question it is
melissa thank you for the question it is
excellent so right now many people are
excellent so right now many people are
excellent so right now many people are
considering a scenario called
considering a scenario called
considering a scenario called
way of last year in russian when you
way of last year in russian when you
way of last year in russian when you
have
have
have
two parallel governments and two
two parallel governments and two
two parallel governments and two
parallel authorities
parallel authorities
parallel authorities
forming so this scenario is indeed
forming so this scenario is indeed
forming so this scenario is indeed
plausible when the
plausible when the
plausible when the
old president would not release his
old president would not release his
old president would not release his
power and he's been acting as the
power and he's been acting as the
power and he's been acting as the
occupational administration already
occupational administration already
occupational administration already
and we do have this transitional
and we do have this transitional
and we do have this transitional
coordination committee that
coordination committee that
coordination committee that
has been formed on an extremely
has been formed on an extremely
has been formed on an extremely
democratic basis
democratic basis
democratic basis
hi um i i just wanted to um thank you so
hi um i i just wanted to um thank you so
hi um i i just wanted to um thank you so
much for this really
much for this really
much for this really
fascinating presentation it really was
fascinating presentation it really was
fascinating presentation it really was
quite extraordinary and
quite extraordinary and
quite extraordinary and
introduced all of us to so much
introduced all of us to so much
introduced all of us to so much
literature and arts as well as
literature and arts as well as
literature and arts as well as
techniques of resistance that
techniques of resistance that
techniques of resistance that
we haven't known about and um so thank
we haven't known about and um so thank
we haven't known about and um so thank
you for that
you for that
you for that
um just in the vein of
um just in the vein of
um just in the vein of
um an initiative that we have at the
um an initiative that we have at the
um an initiative that we have at the
international institute this year
international institute this year
international institute this year
on global perspectives on black lives
on global perspectives on black lives
on global perspectives on black lives
matter
matter
matter
i was wondering about the the timing
i was wondering about the the timing
i was wondering about the the timing
the inspiration the connections
the inspiration the connections
the inspiration the connections
between various international
between various international
between various international
protest movements of the same moment
protest movements of the same moment
protest movements of the same moment
that
that
that
might have been spoken about in in the
might have been spoken about in in the
might have been spoken about in in the
course of the protests
course of the protests
course of the protests
so black lives matter was definitely a
so black lives matter was definitely a
so black lives matter was definitely a
huge
huge
huge
inspiration for the belarusian people as
inspiration for the belarusian people as
inspiration for the belarusian people as
well for
well for
well for
as for many people across the world
as for many people across the world
as for many people across the world
and they even attempted to introduce a
and they even attempted to introduce a
and they even attempted to introduce a
hashtag belarusian life matters but they
hashtag belarusian life matters but they
hashtag belarusian life matters but they
rejected the idea very quickly because
rejected the idea very quickly because
rejected the idea very quickly because
they understood that it would be
they understood that it would be
they understood that it would be
triggering to people
triggering to people
triggering to people
but such signs also floated around and
but such signs also floated around and
but such signs also floated around and
at the test not
at the test not
at the test not
for the lack of cultural sensitivity but
for the lack of cultural sensitivity but
for the lack of cultural sensitivity but
for the desire
for the desire
for the desire
to use models which have succeeded
to use models which have succeeded
to use models which have succeeded
before um
before um
before um
the most distant feature of the glarus
the most distant feature of the glarus
the most distant feature of the glarus
and protest
and protest
and protest
is its peacefulness and insistence on
is its peacefulness and insistence on
is its peacefulness and insistence on
its peaceful nature and in this respect
its peaceful nature and in this respect
its peaceful nature and in this respect
it does differ from the black lives
it does differ from the black lives
it does differ from the black lives
matter protests
matter protests
matter protests
but people who as this was happening in
but people who as this was happening in
but people who as this was happening in
los
los
los
angeles i talked to many belarusians and
angeles i talked to many belarusians and
angeles i talked to many belarusians and
i was describing what i'm seeing on the
i was describing what i'm seeing on the
i was describing what i'm seeing on the
ground
ground
ground
and i can say without most certainty
and i can say without most certainty
and i can say without most certainty
that
that
that
they expressed a lot of solidarity yeah
they expressed a lot of solidarity yeah
they expressed a lot of solidarity yeah
with the black lives matters movement
with the black lives matters movement
with the black lives matters movement
and they just chose a very different
and they just chose a very different
and they just chose a very different
strategy themselves
strategy themselves
strategy themselves
thank you so much um if i could just
thank you so much um if i could just
thank you so much um if i could just
really just briefly talk about yesterday
really just briefly talk about yesterday
really just briefly talk about yesterday
uh we were on hollywood boulevard
uh we were on hollywood boulevard
uh we were on hollywood boulevard
and there was like a direct clash and
and there was like a direct clash and
and there was like a direct clash and
you can even see
you can even see
you can even see
in the pictures um the
in the pictures um the
in the pictures um the
there was a bike rally for black lives
there was a bike rally for black lives
there was a bike rally for black lives
matter and they were
matter and they were
matter and they were
posted sort of around the all black
posted sort of around the all black
posted sort of around the all black
lives matter
lives matter
lives matter
uh what is it it's a mural but it's on
uh what is it it's a mural but it's on
uh what is it it's a mural but it's on
hollywood boulevard and so what happened
hollywood boulevard and so what happened
hollywood boulevard and so what happened
was at first
was at first
was at first
the belarusian group had sort of walked
the belarusian group had sort of walked
the belarusian group had sort of walked
onto it because it was free space
onto it because it was free space
onto it because it was free space
and then the sort of dialogue arose
and then the sort of dialogue arose
and then the sort of dialogue arose
which got a little tense sometimes
which got a little tense sometimes
which got a little tense sometimes
was was the black lives matter
was was the black lives matter
was was the black lives matter
protesters were just like please don't
protesters were just like please don't
protesters were just like please don't
walk on this mural this is a very
walk on this mural this is a very
walk on this mural this is a very
important mural and so there was just a
important mural and so there was just a
important mural and so there was just a
little bit it was maybe like
little bit it was maybe like
little bit it was maybe like
three minutes where everyone was just
three minutes where everyone was just
three minutes where everyone was just
trying to figure out what was going on
trying to figure out what was going on
trying to figure out what was going on
and then everyone was just sort of
and then everyone was just sort of
and then everyone was just sort of
educating each other about what they
educating each other about what they
educating each other about what they
cared about
cared about
cared about
it turned something tense into something
it turned something tense into something
it turned something tense into something
really like beautiful and productive
really like beautiful and productive
really like beautiful and productive
and very peaceful of it course
and very peaceful of it course
and very peaceful of it course
and it was amazing to see how that how
and it was amazing to see how that how
and it was amazing to see how that how
that went down yesterday
i believe we had another question from
i believe we had another question from
professor kim
professor kim
professor kim
um i don't want to dominate the question
um i don't want to dominate the question
um i don't want to dominate the question
session but um so that slogan that this
session but um so that slogan that this
session but um so that slogan that this
is not
is not
is not
normal is a very powerful reminder of
normal is a very powerful reminder of
normal is a very powerful reminder of
how abnormal things have been for
how abnormal things have been for
how abnormal things have been for
so long so i guess i'm afraid that my
so long so i guess i'm afraid that my
so long so i guess i'm afraid that my
question might kind of spill out of this
question might kind of spill out of this
question might kind of spill out of this
moment harking back to the whole
moment harking back to the whole
moment harking back to the whole
post 1990s but um what do you think
post 1990s but um what do you think
post 1990s but um what do you think
are the factors that enabled such
are the factors that enabled such
are the factors that enabled such
abnormal
abnormal
abnormal
kind of monopoly of power for so long in
kind of monopoly of power for so long in
kind of monopoly of power for so long in
the lows
the lows
the lows
because i think you know one of the
because i think you know one of the
because i think you know one of the
hardest things in um
hardest things in um
hardest things in um
studies of authoritarianism
studies of authoritarianism
studies of authoritarianism
totalitarianism is to really
totalitarianism is to really
totalitarianism is to really
make outsiders understand how it
make outsiders understand how it
make outsiders understand how it
actually works so i guess
actually works so i guess
actually works so i guess
my question comes from that also
my question comes from that also
my question comes from that also
abstract level of thinking about it
abstract level of thinking about it
abstract level of thinking about it
i have a very short and very simple
i have a very short and very simple
i have a very short and very simple
answer to it
answer to it
answer to it
the word decapitation comes to mind
the word decapitation comes to mind
the word decapitation comes to mind
we've never had
we've never had
we've never had
decommunization policies which took
decommunization policies which took
decommunization policies which took
place there has been no illustration
place there has been no illustration
place there has been no illustration
and there has been no productive ways
and there has been no productive ways
and there has been no productive ways
for the society to deal with the levels
for the society to deal with the levels
for the society to deal with the levels
of violence and corruption
of violence and corruption
of violence and corruption
and so they were building from this very
and so they were building from this very
and so they were building from this very
unsteady ground to begin with and the
unsteady ground to begin with and the
unsteady ground to begin with and the
lukashenko regime
lukashenko regime
lukashenko regime
added yet more terror more human rights
added yet more terror more human rights
added yet more terror more human rights
violations and more violence to this
violations and more violence to this
violations and more violence to this
equation
equation
equation
so people who are chance and this is not
so people who are chance and this is not
so people who are chance and this is not
normal
normal
normal
i don't think they've no they've seen
i don't think they've no they've seen
i don't think they've no they've seen
normal ever in their life and there is
normal ever in their life and there is
normal ever in their life and there is
entire generation of children
entire generation of children
entire generation of children
who grew up under the tyrant and had
who grew up under the tyrant and had
who grew up under the tyrant and had
never had a free day in their life
never had a free day in their life
never had a free day in their life
so i think the normalization
so i think the normalization
so i think the normalization
which has taken place and the discourse
which has taken place and the discourse
which has taken place and the discourse
of normality
of normality
of normality
is hard won for these people
is hard won for these people
is hard won for these people
can i just enter interject one quick
can i just enter interject one quick
can i just enter interject one quick
comment this is laurie hart again
comment this is laurie hart again
comment this is laurie hart again
um i remember that
um i remember that
um i remember that
during the bosnian war one of the
during the bosnian war one of the
during the bosnian war one of the
phrases that you would repeatedly hear
phrases that you would repeatedly hear
phrases that you would repeatedly hear
was um when someone behaved in
was um when someone behaved in
was um when someone behaved in
um you know a a human human way
um you know a a human human way
um you know a a human human way
across the ethnic divides that were then
across the ethnic divides that were then
across the ethnic divides that were then
so
so
so
inflammatory and lethal people would say
inflammatory and lethal people would say
inflammatory and lethal people would say
uh this is a normal person you know this
uh this is a normal person you know this
uh this is a normal person you know this
is behaving normally
is behaving normally
is behaving normally
so the word normal became a kind of inv
so the word normal became a kind of inv
so the word normal became a kind of inv
an ethical invocation as well as a
an ethical invocation as well as a
an ethical invocation as well as a
as a sort of stark um condemnation of
as a sort of stark um condemnation of
as a sort of stark um condemnation of
the psychosis
the psychosis
the psychosis
as it were of the of the conflict um so
as it were of the of the conflict um so
as it were of the of the conflict um so
i think that's an incredibly powerful
i think that's an incredibly powerful
i think that's an incredibly powerful
word when it can be used in
word when it can be used in
word when it can be used in
in that kind of strategic way absolutely
in that kind of strategic way absolutely
in that kind of strategic way absolutely
i
i
i
absolutely agree
would there be one more question or
would there be one more question or
should we call it a day
i think the questions has been excellent
i think the questions has been excellent
susan and
susan and
susan and
thank you so much for giving me a
thank you so much for giving me a
thank you so much for giving me a
platform to talk
platform to talk
platform to talk
it has been very important for me to
it has been very important for me to
it has been very important for me to
communicate this message to the academic
communicate this message to the academic
communicate this message to the academic
community and to our students
community and to our students
community and to our students
and let's see what what happens next
and let's see what what happens next
and let's see what what happens next
i hate to speak in cliches but the
i hate to speak in cliches but the
i hate to speak in cliches but the
situation remains fluid and thank you
situation remains fluid and thank you
situation remains fluid and thank you
lydia for co-hosting you've been a
lydia for co-hosting you've been a
lydia for co-hosting you've been a
wonderful co-host
wonderful co-host
wonderful co-host
thanks so much to both of you we are all
thanks so much to both of you we are all
thanks so much to both of you we are all
so grateful i can tell by the questions
so grateful i can tell by the questions
so grateful i can tell by the questions
it really has has been an enormously
it really has has been an enormously
it really has has been an enormously
informative session and we're very very
informative session and we're very very
informative session and we're very very
grateful to you
grateful to you
grateful to you
for your for your time and your
for your for your time and your
for your for your time and your
expertise and your passion
expertise and your passion
expertise and your passion
thank you so much