Belarusian Voices in the Media

UCLA Department of Slavic, East European and Eurasian Languages and Cultures and Russian Flagship Program webinar by Sasha Razor and Lydia Roberts. Cosponsored by CERS.

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ABOUT THE EVENT
Sasha Razor and Lydia Roberts discuss the political crisis in the Republic of Belarus that ensued after the fraudulent presidential elections on August 9, 2020. The talk highlights the origin of the protest movement in the county, the role of women, the protest tactics and language, the dissemination of information during the internet blackout, as well as the nature of the state violence and conceptual frameworks for assessing and analyzing these historic events. The presentation concludes with a brief overview of literature, art, and protest music emerging from Belarus.

For a brief introduction, read Sasha’s editorial "The Lesson of Belarus" in the Los Angeles Review of Books.

ADDITIONAL MATERIALS TO EXPLORE
Belarusian Literature:
Julia Cimafiejeva, “The Stone of Fear” (trans. Valzhyna Mort)
Tatiana Zamirovskaya, “Dreams of Belarusian People About Alexander Lukashenko” (non-fiction, trans. by the author)

Belarusian Art:
‘We’re tired of dictatorship. We’re turning a new page.’ 5 Belarusian artists on fighting for their country’s future
“From the Sun City of Dreams to the City of Angels: a Conversation with Belarusian artist and author Artur Klinau”

Belarusian Music
Belarusian cover of Viktor Tsoi’s song “Changes” [Peremen] (2020):
Liapis Trubetskoi “Not to be Cattle” [Ne Byts’ skotam] (2011)

DISCUSSANTS
Dr. Susan Kresin is Senior Lecturer at the UCLA Department of Slavic, East European, and Eurasian Languages and Cultures and the UCLA Russian Flagship Program Student Coordinator. Her research interests include Slavic linguistics and Slavic language pedagogy, including use of internet resources, culturally oriented curricula, and teaching heritage students. Susan has led Czech and Russian language courses, as well as seminars on Slavic linguistics and cultures.

Dr. Sasha Razor is a native of Belarus and an alumna of the Department of Slavic, East European and Eurasian Studies. Her research interests include avant-garde cinema and literature, Russian diaspora studies, as well as Ukrainian and Belarusian literature and culture. Sasha is a recipient of the 2020 ASEEES Internship Grant and is working at the Museum of Russian Culture in San Francisco. She is a regular contributor to the Los Angeles Review of Books.

Lydia Roberts is a Ph.D. student in the Department of Slavic, East European and Eurasian Languages and Cultures at UCLA. She researches Russian and Polish prison literature, particularly memoir and scholarship written in Gulag camps, as well as genocide and mass incarceration. Lydia was named a Eugene V. Cota-Robles fellow in 2016 and a U.S. Russia Experts Program fellow in 2018. Lydia has published in SoapEar, an L.A.-based music magazine, as well as the Los Angeles Review of Books.



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so i'd like to welcome you to our

so i'd like to welcome you to our

discussion

discussion

discussion

uh titled belarusian voices in the media

uh titled belarusian voices in the media

uh titled belarusian voices in the media

which is co-sponsored by the center for

which is co-sponsored by the center for

which is co-sponsored by the center for

european and russian studies

european and russian studies

european and russian studies

the department of slavic east european

the department of slavic east european

the department of slavic east european

and eurasian languages and cultures

and eurasian languages and cultures

and eurasian languages and cultures

and the ucla flagship program i'm the

and the ucla flagship program i'm the

and the ucla flagship program i'm the

organizer of this event susan cressen

organizer of this event susan cressen

organizer of this event susan cressen

from the slava department and the ucla

from the slava department and the ucla

from the slava department and the ucla

russian flagship program

russian flagship program

russian flagship program

our next flagship event will be this

our next flagship event will be this

our next flagship event will be this

friday it will be a movie discussion

friday it will be a movie discussion

friday it will be a movie discussion

send me an email if you're interested in

send me an email if you're interested in

send me an email if you're interested in

participating in that people will watch

participating in that people will watch

participating in that people will watch

the film before and then we'll discuss

the film before and then we'll discuss

the film before and then we'll discuss

it

it

it

on friday at 5 00 pm

in today's presentation we'll have two

in today's presentation we'll have two

speakers sasha razer

speakers sasha razer

speakers sasha razer

and lydia roberts dr sasha razer

and lydia roberts dr sasha razer

and lydia roberts dr sasha razer

is a native of belarus and an alumna of

is a native of belarus and an alumna of

is a native of belarus and an alumna of

the department of slavic

the department of slavic

the department of slavic

east european and eurasian studies she

east european and eurasian studies she

east european and eurasian studies she

wrote a dissertation on the

wrote a dissertation on the

wrote a dissertation on the

screenwriters of the left front of the

screenwriters of the left front of the

screenwriters of the left front of the

arts

arts

arts

sasha's research interests include

sasha's research interests include

sasha's research interests include

avant-garde cinema and literature

avant-garde cinema and literature

avant-garde cinema and literature

russian diaspora studies as well as

russian diaspora studies as well as

russian diaspora studies as well as

ukrainian

ukrainian

ukrainian

and belarusian literature and culture

and belarusian literature and culture

and belarusian literature and culture

in may of 2019 she curated

in may of 2019 she curated

in may of 2019 she curated

exiles protesters envoys russian history

exiles protesters envoys russian history

exiles protesters envoys russian history

and photographs an exhibition that was

and photographs an exhibition that was

and photographs an exhibition that was

sponsored by the city of west hollywood

sponsored by the city of west hollywood

sponsored by the city of west hollywood

which has a very large russian community

she's also known as the author of

she's also known as the author of

several academic articles and a

several academic articles and a

several academic articles and a

contributor to the la review of

contributor to the la review of

contributor to the la review of

books and an author co-author of a

books and an author co-author of a

books and an author co-author of a

fabulous article last year on russian

fabulous article last year on russian

fabulous article last year on russian

california which i highly recommend

california which i highly recommend

california which i highly recommend

sasha is currently a recipient of the

sasha is currently a recipient of the

sasha is currently a recipient of the

ac's internship grant

ac's internship grant

ac's internship grant

for 2020 and she's working at the museum

for 2020 and she's working at the museum

for 2020 and she's working at the museum

of russian culture in san francisco

of russian culture in san francisco

of russian culture in san francisco

our other speaker today is lydia roberts

our other speaker today is lydia roberts

our other speaker today is lydia roberts

who is a phd student in the department

who is a phd student in the department

who is a phd student in the department

of slavic eastern

of slavic eastern

of slavic eastern

european and eurasian languages and

european and eurasian languages and

european and eurasian languages and

cultures at ucla

cultures at ucla

cultures at ucla

she researches russian and polish

she researches russian and polish

she researches russian and polish

prison literature particularly memoir

prison literature particularly memoir

prison literature particularly memoir

and scholarship written in gulag camps

and scholarship written in gulag camps

and scholarship written in gulag camps

as well as genocide and mass

as well as genocide and mass

as well as genocide and mass

incarceration

incarceration

incarceration

lydia was named a eugene kota robus

lydia was named a eugene kota robus

lydia was named a eugene kota robus

fellow

fellow

fellow

in 2016 and a u.s russia

in 2016 and a u.s russia

in 2016 and a u.s russia

experts program fellow in 2019

experts program fellow in 2019

experts program fellow in 2019

her most recent project love songs of

her most recent project love songs of

her most recent project love songs of

the gulag

the gulag

the gulag

was a concert of russian polish and

was a concert of russian polish and

was a concert of russian polish and

japanese songs from soviet prisons

japanese songs from soviet prisons

japanese songs from soviet prisons

organized at la's la la slavasse

organized at la's la la slavasse

organized at la's la la slavasse

panorama but the event was delayed and

panorama but the event was delayed and

panorama but the event was delayed and

definitely due to covert 19.

definitely due to covert 19.

definitely due to covert 19.

we hope that that will be postponed to

we hope that that will be postponed to

we hope that that will be postponed to

to it to a

to it to a

to it to a

date pretty soon lydia has published

date pretty soon lydia has published

date pretty soon lydia has published

in soap year and la based music magazine

in soap year and la based music magazine

in soap year and la based music magazine

as well as the la review of books

as well as the la review of books

as well as the la review of books

sasha and lydia co-curated an exhibition

sasha and lydia co-curated an exhibition

sasha and lydia co-curated an exhibition

of the belarusian artist artur clino

of the belarusian artist artur clino

of the belarusian artist artur clino

titled the dream of revolution which

titled the dream of revolution which

titled the dream of revolution which

took place at powell library rotunda

took place at powell library rotunda

took place at powell library rotunda

in may 2017 and today they will com

in may 2017 and today they will com

in may 2017 and today they will com

discuss and comment on the ongoing

discuss and comment on the ongoing

discuss and comment on the ongoing

protests

protests

protests

in belarus

thank you susan for having us thank you

thank you susan for having us thank you

flagship students for coming and thank

flagship students for coming and thank

flagship students for coming and thank

you faculty and fellow graduate students

you faculty and fellow graduate students

you faculty and fellow graduate students

for joining the meeting it is very

for joining the meeting it is very

for joining the meeting it is very

important for me

important for me

important for me

to be able to talk about what is

to be able to talk about what is

to be able to talk about what is

happening in belarus

happening in belarus

happening in belarus

and my country and i guess lydia will

and my country and i guess lydia will

and my country and i guess lydia will

begin and i will be sharing

begin and i will be sharing

begin and i will be sharing

a screen with you okay

a screen with you okay

a screen with you okay

right we're going to start with

right we're going to start with

right we're going to start with

something we came out i came across on

something we came out i came across on

something we came out i came across on

twitter the other day

twitter the other day

twitter the other day

so when sasha pulls up her screen

[Music]

[Music]

but maybe you all just intro it so when

but maybe you all just intro it so when

but maybe you all just intro it so when

we see it so

we see it so

we see it so

um i think this statement we're going to

um i think this statement we're going to

um i think this statement we're going to

see reflects how a lot of people relate

see reflects how a lot of people relate

see reflects how a lot of people relate

to belarus right now

to belarus right now

to belarus right now

so this guy says i've never been to

so this guy says i've never been to

so this guy says i've never been to

belarus but i've been to bulgaria

belarus but i've been to bulgaria

belarus but i've been to bulgaria

and i imagine they're very similar i'm

and i imagine they're very similar i'm

and i imagine they're very similar i'm

not sure what language they speak there

not sure what language they speak there

not sure what language they speak there

but

but

but

here is my thread about why i think the

here is my thread about why i think the

here is my thread about why i think the

developments in the country

developments in the country

developments in the country

conform to my previously held belief so

so for the benefit of our audience um

so for the benefit of our audience um

how about we start with a little

how about we start with a little

how about we start with a little

background information

background information

background information

where is belarus and what should we know

where is belarus and what should we know

where is belarus and what should we know

about its history okay so thank you for

about its history okay so thank you for

about its history okay so thank you for

the question

the question

the question

and i think it is extremely important to

and i think it is extremely important to

and i think it is extremely important to

talk about it because the other day i

talk about it because the other day i

talk about it because the other day i

was talking to a

was talking to a

was talking to a

producer of a major us television

producer of a major us television

producer of a major us television

network and

network and

network and

i understood that something is wrong in

i understood that something is wrong in

i understood that something is wrong in

this department because she kept asking

this department because she kept asking

this department because she kept asking

me

me

me

and what do people of beirut want to

and what do people of beirut want to

and what do people of beirut want to

tell to the american audience

tell to the american audience

tell to the american audience

she was confused in beirut and belarus

she was confused in beirut and belarus

she was confused in beirut and belarus

which i don't blame her but i want you

which i don't blame her but i want you

which i don't blame her but i want you

guys to know where it is

guys to know where it is

guys to know where it is

um so belarus borders from five

um so belarus borders from five

um so belarus borders from five

countries ukraine

countries ukraine

countries ukraine

poland russia lithuania latvia

poland russia lithuania latvia

poland russia lithuania latvia

um the state languages are belarusian

um the state languages are belarusian

um the state languages are belarusian

and russian the official

and russian the official

and russian the official

and russian the official name for

and russian the official name for

and russian the official name for

belarus is

belarus is

belarus is

republica belarus and the russian

republica belarus and the russian

republica belarus and the russian

version belarusia

version belarusia

version belarusia

is outdated today and it has a colonial

is outdated today and it has a colonial

is outdated today and it has a colonial

connotation to it

connotation to it

connotation to it

you will see several languages in

you will see several languages in

you will see several languages in

circulation such as belarusia through o

circulation such as belarusia through o

circulation such as belarusia through o

and double

and double

and double

s which is still official and

s which is still official and

s which is still official and

non-standard adjectival forms that

non-standard adjectival forms that

non-standard adjectival forms that

circulate ability belarus

circulate ability belarus

circulate ability belarus

you see that being used a lot so the

you see that being used a lot so the

you see that being used a lot so the

norm might change

norm might change

norm might change

in your future um

in your future um

in your future um

so i would like to just quickly go over

so i would like to just quickly go over

so i would like to just quickly go over

the dates but

the dates but

the dates but

it is no it should not be the focus of

it is no it should not be the focus of

it is no it should not be the focus of

this talk the very first attempt

this talk the very first attempt

this talk the very first attempt

to build a belarusian nation state took

to build a belarusian nation state took

to build a belarusian nation state took

place in 1918

place in 1918

place in 1918

the so-called russian people's republic

the so-called russian people's republic

the so-called russian people's republic

and it only lasted for a year but those

and it only lasted for a year but those

and it only lasted for a year but those

people went to exile and they

people went to exile and they

people went to exile and they

settled down i think in the u.s and

settled down i think in the u.s and

settled down i think in the u.s and

canada and they still exist

canada and they still exist

canada and they still exist

and there is a president of the

and there is a president of the

and there is a president of the

belarusian people's republic

belarusian people's republic

belarusian people's republic

yvonne kosovo who is 86 right now she

yvonne kosovo who is 86 right now she

yvonne kosovo who is 86 right now she

lives in ottawa

lives in ottawa

lives in ottawa

um the true independence came to belarus

um the true independence came to belarus

um the true independence came to belarus

in 1991

in 1991

in 1991

after the collapse of the soviet union

after the collapse of the soviet union

after the collapse of the soviet union

in about 1994 president alexander

in about 1994 president alexander

in about 1994 president alexander

lukashenko came to power

lukashenko came to power

lukashenko came to power

and he has done everything possible to

and he has done everything possible to

and he has done everything possible to

hold on to it for 26 years

hold on to it for 26 years

hold on to it for 26 years

he has done so in a number of ways and

he has done so in a number of ways and

he has done so in a number of ways and

mainly through the referendum which took

mainly through the referendum which took

mainly through the referendum which took

place in 1996 and 2004

place in 1996 and 2004

place in 1996 and 2004

which increased the presidential power

which increased the presidential power

which increased the presidential power

as a result

as a result

as a result

he has won during

he has won during

he has won during

all election campaigns with a scores

all election campaigns with a scores

all election campaigns with a scores

which ranged from 72 to 83

which ranged from 72 to 83

which ranged from 72 to 83

percentage of volts so when we speak

percentage of volts so when we speak

percentage of volts so when we speak

about bilaterals we

about bilaterals we

about bilaterals we

have two sets of national symbols the

have two sets of national symbols the

have two sets of national symbols the

one that you see

one that you see

one that you see

in your right hand upper corner

in your right hand upper corner

in your right hand upper corner

is the old flag and the coat of arms of

is the old flag and the coat of arms of

is the old flag and the coat of arms of

the

the

the

russian people's republics and it was

russian people's republics and it was

russian people's republics and it was

reinstated in 1991

reinstated in 1991

reinstated in 1991

and then the other set of symbols was

and then the other set of symbols was

and then the other set of symbols was

introduced back by president lukash

introduced back by president lukash

introduced back by president lukash

president alexander lukashenk in 1994

president alexander lukashenk in 1994

president alexander lukashenk in 1994

and it is essentially the soviet design

and it is essentially the soviet design

and it is essentially the soviet design

with the hammer and the sickle removed

with the hammer and the sickle removed

with the hammer and the sickle removed

so now you know about the states

great so that's a great introduction to

great so that's a great introduction to

what's going on right now

what's going on right now

what's going on right now

so let's talk about this tournament the

so let's talk about this tournament the

so let's talk about this tournament the

current situation in belarus

current situation in belarus

current situation in belarus

um personally i've seen a lot of

um personally i've seen a lot of

um personally i've seen a lot of

different terminology floating around

different terminology floating around

different terminology floating around

uh protest uprising revolution

uh protest uprising revolution

uh protest uprising revolution

um slipper revolution was one that kind

um slipper revolution was one that kind

um slipper revolution was one that kind

of stuck for sex and disappeared

of stuck for sex and disappeared

of stuck for sex and disappeared

um i've also seen different names for

um i've also seen different names for

um i've also seen different names for

the country which you went through

the country which you went through

the country which you went through

so recognizing the importance of names

so recognizing the importance of names

so recognizing the importance of names

in shaping events like this what's your

in shaping events like this what's your

in shaping events like this what's your

take on

take on

take on

how we call this movement what do we

how we call this movement what do we

how we call this movement what do we

call it

all right so in terms of calling the

all right so in terms of calling the

movement i have to say that

people have been referring to it as

people have been referring to it as

protests

protests

protests

and belarusian journalists have been

and belarusian journalists have been

and belarusian journalists have been

very reserved about

very reserved about

very reserved about

column e revolution because

column e revolution because

column e revolution because

the revolutions can be also failed and

the revolutions can be also failed and

the revolutions can be also failed and

nobody wanted to get disappointed

nobody wanted to get disappointed

nobody wanted to get disappointed

what we have on the ground right now is

what we have on the ground right now is

what we have on the ground right now is

the military occupation of power

the military occupation of power

the military occupation of power

and the president which holds into it

and the president which holds into it

and the president which holds into it

has lost

has lost

has lost

the vote and his legitimacy

the vote and his legitimacy

the vote and his legitimacy

um so the charm revolution is more

um so the charm revolution is more

um so the charm revolution is more

widely used right now

widely used right now

widely used right now

but we are still approaching the

but we are still approaching the

but we are still approaching the

discursive framing of the events with

discursive framing of the events with

discursive framing of the events with

care and i am still keep trying to share

care and i am still keep trying to share

care and i am still keep trying to share

my screen time if you see

my screen time if you see

my screen time if you see

the map and the timeline

the map and the timeline

the map and the timeline

and the two sets of symbols so

and the two sets of symbols so

and the two sets of symbols so

as you can see the elections that

as you can see the elections that

as you can see the elections that

happened before

happened before

happened before

protest existed but what is different

protest existed but what is different

protest existed but what is different

this time

this time

this time

at this moment is that first of all it

at this moment is that first of all it

at this moment is that first of all it

is summer time and

is summer time and

is summer time and

people cannot travel so they are all

people cannot travel so they are all

people cannot travel so they are all

trapped inside the country because of

trapped inside the country because of

trapped inside the country because of

the covet restrictions

the covet restrictions

the covet restrictions

also the population has been previously

also the population has been previously

also the population has been previously

mobilized

mobilized

mobilized

by a protest which took place against

by a protest which took place against

by a protest which took place against

the

the

the

tax for parasitism

tax for parasitism

tax for parasitism

so so the parasitism tax when people

so so the parasitism tax when people

so so the parasitism tax when people

were fined specifically

were fined specifically

were fined specifically

because they did not work and the

because they did not work and the

because they did not work and the

society was already mobilized

society was already mobilized

society was already mobilized

um to top things and to make them worse

um to top things and to make them worse

um to top things and to make them worse

the lukashenko government completely

the lukashenko government completely

the lukashenko government completely

mishandled the public 19 situation and

mishandled the public 19 situation and

mishandled the public 19 situation and

belarus was the only country

belarus was the only country

belarus was the only country

in europe besides sweden not to

in europe besides sweden not to

in europe besides sweden not to

introduce the quarantine measures

introduce the quarantine measures

introduce the quarantine measures

and they really mishandled the situation

and they really mishandled the situation

and they really mishandled the situation

and it caused an incr extreme distrust

and it caused an incr extreme distrust

and it caused an incr extreme distrust

among the people

among the people

among the people

because they already went through

because they already went through

because they already went through

chernobyl in 1986

chernobyl in 1986

chernobyl in 1986

and they had to self-organize and to

and they had to self-organize and to

and they had to self-organize and to

volunteer to do something to help

volunteer to do something to help

volunteer to do something to help

so this is the ground view but of course

so this is the ground view but of course

so this is the ground view but of course

the largest reaction came

the largest reaction came

the largest reaction came

after the state-sponsored violence which

after the state-sponsored violence which

after the state-sponsored violence which

took place during the first four days

took place during the first four days

took place during the first four days

after the election and is still ongoing

after the election and is still ongoing

after the election and is still ongoing

right we see just a huge number of

right we see just a huge number of

right we see just a huge number of

people

people

people

but um sort of coming back to our own

but um sort of coming back to our own

but um sort of coming back to our own

the exhibition we did in 2017 with

the exhibition we did in 2017 with

the exhibition we did in 2017 with

arturo now

arturo now

arturo now

we talked a lot about the sort of

we talked a lot about the sort of

we talked a lot about the sort of

esoteric protest techniques that were

esoteric protest techniques that were

esoteric protest techniques that were

really

really

really

common in belarus one of the ones maybe

common in belarus one of the ones maybe

common in belarus one of the ones maybe

the audience has heard about

the audience has heard about

the audience has heard about

is the clapping assembly so in response

is the clapping assembly so in response

is the clapping assembly so in response

to the 2010 election

to the 2010 election

to the 2010 election

lukashenka had the opposition candidate

lukashenka had the opposition candidate

lukashenka had the opposition candidate

uh placed in jail

uh placed in jail

uh placed in jail

and so people would gather and have

and so people would gather and have

and so people would gather and have

these uh assemblies they clapped they

these uh assemblies they clapped they

these uh assemblies they clapped they

wouldn't chant there with no slogans no

wouldn't chant there with no slogans no

wouldn't chant there with no slogans no

slants just clapping

slants just clapping

slants just clapping

so but as you're noting this summer

so but as you're noting this summer

so but as you're noting this summer

we're seeing just a huge turnout from

we're seeing just a huge turnout from

we're seeing just a huge turnout from

all kinds of people um not esoteric

all kinds of people um not esoteric

all kinds of people um not esoteric

protesters they're all just ordinary

protesters they're all just ordinary

protesters they're all just ordinary

people

people

people

so what are the tactics that these

so what are the tactics that these

so what are the tactics that these

people are using uh what's new about it

people are using uh what's new about it

people are using uh what's new about it

and what's specific to belarus

and what's specific to belarus

and what's specific to belarus

so i'm going to show you several

so i'm going to show you several

so i'm going to show you several

pictures from

pictures from

pictures from

previous protests this is the jeans

previous protests this is the jeans

previous protests this is the jeans

revolution of 1906

revolution of 1906

revolution of 1906

and also the

and also the

and also the

parasitism tax protest of 1917 and you

parasitism tax protest of 1917 and you

parasitism tax protest of 1917 and you

see a very standard

see a very standard

see a very standard

square assembly with the tent camp and

square assembly with the tent camp and

square assembly with the tent camp and

encampment but those revolutions

encampment but those revolutions

encampment but those revolutions

were suppressed and brutally suppressed

were suppressed and brutally suppressed

were suppressed and brutally suppressed

and then people started being creative

and then people started being creative

and then people started being creative

and they came out with just blank pieces

and they came out with just blank pieces

and they came out with just blank pieces

of paper and were arrested

of paper and were arrested

of paper and were arrested

they clapped and they were arrested the

they clapped and they were arrested the

they clapped and they were arrested the

russian government is really known for

russian government is really known for

russian government is really known for

very brutal suppression techniques

very brutal suppression techniques

very brutal suppression techniques

and this year things are really

and this year things are really

and this year things are really

different and i'm going to explain why

different and i'm going to explain why

different and i'm going to explain why

they are different so first of all

they are different so first of all

they are different so first of all

the entire country has consolidated

the entire country has consolidated

the entire country has consolidated

around one independent transitional

around one independent transitional

around one independent transitional

candidate

candidate

candidate

cetlanet hanover and in her election

cetlanet hanover and in her election

cetlanet hanover and in her election

campaign

campaign

campaign

they have used a very interesting viral

they have used a very interesting viral

they have used a very interesting viral

language for addressing the authorities

language for addressing the authorities

language for addressing the authorities

namely they use the refrain rasviet

namely they use the refrain rasviet

namely they use the refrain rasviet

narman

narman

narman

is this normal and this way they gave

is this normal and this way they gave

is this normal and this way they gave

people the language to speak with their

people the language to speak with their

people the language to speak with their

authorities

authorities

authorities

and this language has been even co-opted

and this language has been even co-opted

and this language has been even co-opted

by the president lukashenko himself who

by the president lukashenko himself who

by the president lukashenko himself who

started using it as well

started using it as well

started using it as well

they also introduced elements of

they also introduced elements of

they also introduced elements of

psychotherapy to the rally speeches

psychotherapy to the rally speeches

psychotherapy to the rally speeches

teaching people not to be afraid

teaching people not to be afraid

teaching people not to be afraid

they anticipated the election fraud in

they anticipated the election fraud in

they anticipated the election fraud in

advance and had a solid plan

advance and had a solid plan

advance and had a solid plan

for legal actions to counter it

for legal actions to counter it

for legal actions to counter it

afterwards and we see

afterwards and we see

afterwards and we see

that this plan is very difficult to

that this plan is very difficult to

that this plan is very difficult to

execute right now

execute right now

execute right now

i would also like to show you how this

i would also like to show you how this

i would also like to show you how this

campaign

campaign

campaign

has been designed

has been designed

has been designed

what are the visual components of this

what are the visual components of this

what are the visual components of this

complaint and one of the things that i'm

complaint and one of the things that i'm

complaint and one of the things that i'm

looking

looking

looking

at is how eclectic this thing

at is how eclectic this thing

at is how eclectic this thing

is and how they drew from many different

is and how they drew from many different

is and how they drew from many different

sources

sources

sources

for example on your left you see

for example on your left you see

for example on your left you see

swelling tighanovska wearing the white

swelling tighanovska wearing the white

swelling tighanovska wearing the white

bracelet ribbon and this of course came

bracelet ribbon and this of course came

bracelet ribbon and this of course came

from the russian protests of the 2011.

from the russian protests of the 2011.

from the russian protests of the 2011.

they also used the famous logo yummy

they also used the famous logo yummy

they also used the famous logo yummy

a campaign of the russian media to free

a campaign of the russian media to free

a campaign of the russian media to free

the journalist ivan gohan off so this

the journalist ivan gohan off so this

the journalist ivan gohan off so this

side it's completely all from from

side it's completely all from from

side it's completely all from from

russia

russia

russia

also the white color is the color of the

also the white color is the color of the

also the white color is the color of the

women's suffrage in general but

women's suffrage in general but

women's suffrage in general but

it's been articulate in that particular

it's been articulate in that particular

it's been articulate in that particular

protest

protest

protest

on the left on the right you see

on the left on the right you see

on the left on the right you see

the native belarusian symbols for

the native belarusian symbols for

the native belarusian symbols for

example the lithuanian coat of arms

example the lithuanian coat of arms

example the lithuanian coat of arms

was redesigned and we see a woman on the

was redesigned and we see a woman on the

was redesigned and we see a woman on the

horse

horse

horse

we also see this very interesting emoji

we also see this very interesting emoji

we also see this very interesting emoji

symbol of the heart

symbol of the heart

symbol of the heart

the clenched feast and the victory sign

the clenched feast and the victory sign

the clenched feast and the victory sign

which was done by

which was done by

which was done by

a very fine belarusian artist antonina

a very fine belarusian artist antonina

a very fine belarusian artist antonina

slavoy

slavoy

slavoy

and she just doodled it on paper posted

and she just doodled it on paper posted

and she just doodled it on paper posted

it on when and now

it on when and now

it on when and now

millions of people are using her imagery

millions of people are using her imagery

millions of people are using her imagery

for this protest

for this protest

for this protest

and cetlana tsihanovska was really a

and cetlana tsihanovska was really a

and cetlana tsihanovska was really a

perfect

perfect

perfect

alternative candidate because she did

alternative candidate because she did

alternative candidate because she did

not alienate

not alienate

not alienate

anyone she really tapped into this

anyone she really tapped into this

anyone she really tapped into this

patriarchal mode

patriarchal mode

patriarchal mode

of a woman going to politics as an

of a woman going to politics as an

of a woman going to politics as an

outsider

outsider

outsider

to save her husband from jail because

to save her husband from jail because

to save her husband from jail because

she loves him and that communicated

she loves him and that communicated

she loves him and that communicated

emotionally to the millions of

emotionally to the millions of

emotionally to the millions of

people and just to show you another

people and just to show you another

people and just to show you another

eclectic side of this protest

eclectic side of this protest

eclectic side of this protest

they she came on stage each time with a

they she came on stage each time with a

they she came on stage each time with a

song titled murray which is an anthem of

song titled murray which is an anthem of

song titled murray which is an anthem of

polish anti-communist solidarity

polish anti-communist solidarity

polish anti-communist solidarity

movement

movement

movement

written by yatza kachemarsken and we'll

written by yatza kachemarsken and we'll

written by yatza kachemarsken and we'll

talk about the song later but

talk about the song later but

talk about the song later but

i think drawing from all sources trying

i think drawing from all sources trying

i think drawing from all sources trying

to unite your audience

to unite your audience

to unite your audience

communicating to the basic emotions

communicating to the basic emotions

communicating to the basic emotions

stating

stating

stating

right up front that you are a

right up front that you are a

right up front that you are a

transitional candidate you have no

transitional candidate you have no

transitional candidate you have no

interest to seize the power you just

interest to seize the power you just

interest to seize the power you just

want to bring

want to bring

want to bring

change this is what united people and

change this is what united people and

change this is what united people and

this is what was so different during

this is what was so different during

this is what was so different during

this time

this time

this time

now the protests that consume work

now the protests that consume work

now the protests that consume work

completely

completely

completely

and different if you will

and different if you will

and different if you will

because the united headquarters of sri

because the united headquarters of sri

because the united headquarters of sri

lanka

lanka

lanka

had nothing to do with them and it was a

had nothing to do with them and it was a

had nothing to do with them and it was a

hundred percent

hundred percent

hundred percent

decentralized peaceful protest which

decentralized peaceful protest which

decentralized peaceful protest which

used an osmosis of peaceful protest

used an osmosis of peaceful protest

used an osmosis of peaceful protest

techniques

techniques

techniques

such as be like water the principle that

such as be like water the principle that

such as be like water the principle that

came around

came around

came around

in hong kong also strikes

in hong kong also strikes

in hong kong also strikes

um we have seen many resignations of the

um we have seen many resignations of the

um we have seen many resignations of the

police officers

police officers

police officers

um and the hashtag pagonapad appeared

um and the hashtag pagonapad appeared

um and the hashtag pagonapad appeared

meaning the fall down of the

meaning the fall down of the

meaning the fall down of the

military and senior and the morphology

military and senior and the morphology

military and senior and the morphology

of the word repeats leaning apart the

of the word repeats leaning apart the

of the word repeats leaning apart the

fall down of the limbs

fall down of the limbs

fall down of the limbs

statues during the maidan in cave

statues during the maidan in cave

statues during the maidan in cave

um women's marches we have seen dying

um women's marches we have seen dying

um women's marches we have seen dying

protests yesterday when women were

protests yesterday when women were

protests yesterday when women were

on the ground and they stopped the heavy

on the ground and they stopped the heavy

on the ground and they stopped the heavy

ambulation and also boycotts are

ambulation and also boycotts are

ambulation and also boycotts are

beginning tomorrow many parents will not

beginning tomorrow many parents will not

beginning tomorrow many parents will not

be sending their children to school

be sending their children to school

be sending their children to school

also because the internet has been

also because the internet has been

also because the internet has been

blocked for three days

blocked for three days

blocked for three days

and remains very unstable people had to

and remains very unstable people had to

and remains very unstable people had to

come with a new channel for information

come with a new channel for information

come with a new channel for information

and we had seen the proliferation of the

and we had seen the proliferation of the

and we had seen the proliferation of the

telegram chats and platforms

telegram chats and platforms

telegram chats and platforms

we have also seen the circulation of the

we have also seen the circulation of the

we have also seen the circulation of the

paper flyers and posters the so-called

paper flyers and posters the so-called

paper flyers and posters the so-called

dystopia

dystopia

dystopia

which were also used by the workers 100

which were also used by the workers 100

which were also used by the workers 100

years ago on the

years ago on the

years ago on the

socialist revolution we have seen

socialist revolution we have seen

socialist revolution we have seen

proliferation of grass

proliferation of grass

proliferation of grass

grassroot and valencia networks and as

grassroot and valencia networks and as

grassroot and valencia networks and as

every protest this protest too has its

every protest this protest too has its

every protest this protest too has its

vocabulary so the new warsap and i think

vocabulary so the new warsap and i think

vocabulary so the new warsap and i think

they will be of the interest to the

they will be of the interest to the

they will be of the interest to the

russian flagship students

russian flagship students

russian flagship students

for example the word bus or busiek means

for example the word bus or busiek means

for example the word bus or busiek means

the minivan

the minivan

the minivan

in which the police is traveling also

in which the police is traveling also

in which the police is traveling also

there is a specific term karately which

there is a specific term karately which

there is a specific term karately which

applies to the police and this trauma

applies to the police and this trauma

applies to the police and this trauma

already was used in the maidan

already was used in the maidan

already was used in the maidan

so it's not specifically belarusian but

so it's not specifically belarusian but

so it's not specifically belarusian but

we do use it in this protest

we do use it in this protest

we do use it in this protest

there is a exclusively belarusian word

there is a exclusively belarusian word

there is a exclusively belarusian word

hapon

hapon

hapon

which means a punitive operation by the

which means a punitive operation by the

which means a punitive operation by the

police

police

police

aimed at arresting everyone they can

aimed at arresting everyone they can

aimed at arresting everyone they can

catch

catch

catch

like literally everyone they can catch

like literally everyone they can catch

like literally everyone they can catch

and get a hold of on the street

and get a hold of on the street

and get a hold of on the street

um the word means a

um the word means a

um the word means a

police officer dressed in his civil

police officer dressed in his civil

police officer dressed in his civil

clothing working closely with the police

clothing working closely with the police

clothing working closely with the police

against the protesters and i'll show you

against the protesters and i'll show you

against the protesters and i'll show you

what

what

what

sepka is in the moment and the chance of

sepka is in the moment and the chance of

sepka is in the moment and the chance of

this process is also a very very

this process is also a very very

this process is also a very very

interesting story because what we have

interesting story because what we have

interesting story because what we have

right now is that

right now is that

right now is that

the protesters are walking around in

the protesters are walking around in

the protesters are walking around in

smaller groups and being in a smaller

smaller groups and being in a smaller

smaller groups and being in a smaller

group

group

group

gives you room for improvisation so

gives you room for improvisation so

gives you room for improvisation so

there are

there are

there are

more chance than before their rhythmical

more chance than before their rhythmical

more chance than before their rhythmical

patterns are very diverse and

patterns are very diverse and

patterns are very diverse and

interesting and one of the most popular

interesting and one of the most popular

interesting and one of the most popular

chants i put them down here so

chants i put them down here so

chants i put them down here so

live below we love we can we will win

live below we love we can we will win

live below we love we can we will win

one for all and all for one which is of

one for all and all for one which is of

one for all and all for one which is of

course an old european chant

course an old european chant

course an old european chant

known to us not only through the work of

known to us not only through the work of

known to us not only through the work of

alexander dumas

alexander dumas

alexander dumas

and his famous novel three musketeers

and his famous novel three musketeers

and his famous novel three musketeers

but

but

but

also it's been used since the 16th

also it's been used since the 16th

also it's been used since the 16th

century prague

century prague

century prague

in the events called the third

in the events called the third

in the events called the third

defenestration of prague

defenestration of prague

defenestration of prague

and the last two chants are very popular

and the last two chants are very popular

and the last two chants are very popular

among the children

among the children

among the children

lukash who gashan kalakhimat and

lukash who gashan kalakhimat and

lukash who gashan kalakhimat and

go away and there are many reports

go away and there are many reports

go away and there are many reports

across the country of children chanting

across the country of children chanting

across the country of children chanting

it in a daycare and the yards

it in a daycare and the yards

it in a daycare and the yards

so here you go and this is how sepka

so here you go and this is how sepka

so here you go and this is how sepka

looks like

looks like

looks like

not only the women stand like that so

not only the women stand like that so

not only the women stand like that so

they cannot be taken by the police and

they cannot be taken by the police and

they cannot be taken by the police and

men

men

men

but we also see right now that the

but we also see right now that the

but we also see right now that the

police itself the

police itself the

police itself the

the swat teams they've been doing that

the swat teams they've been doing that

the swat teams they've been doing that

as well

as well

as well

in the past two days on the streets

in the past two days on the streets

in the past two days on the streets

right you shared the video of the guards

right you shared the video of the guards

right you shared the video of the guards

making a circle around a group of women

making a circle around a group of women

making a circle around a group of women

and it was really striking because all

and it was really striking because all

and it was really striking because all

the women are dressed in white they're

the women are dressed in white they're

the women are dressed in white they're

holding flowers they're children

holding flowers they're children

holding flowers they're children

and then these guards in black are just

and then these guards in black are just

and then these guards in black are just

surrounding

surrounding

surrounding

so the sort of symbolism or the imagery

so the sort of symbolism or the imagery

so the sort of symbolism or the imagery

of having women there is really

of having women there is really

of having women there is really

interesting can you talk a little bit

interesting can you talk a little bit

interesting can you talk a little bit

more about the role of women in this

more about the role of women in this

more about the role of women in this

process and even children when they

process and even children when they

process and even children when they

when they show up so the role of women

when they show up so the role of women

when they show up so the role of women

in this protest is really outstanding

in this protest is really outstanding

in this protest is really outstanding

and it started in a

and it started in a

and it started in a

most unexpected way back in july

most unexpected way back in july

most unexpected way back in july

the belarusian government uh confiscated

the belarusian government uh confiscated

the belarusian government uh confiscated

the art collection which was

the art collection which was

the art collection which was

owned by bill gasprom bank but it wasn't

owned by bill gasprom bank but it wasn't

owned by bill gasprom bank but it wasn't

a gallery in public access

a gallery in public access

a gallery in public access

and the most expensive painting of

and the most expensive painting of

and the most expensive painting of

this collection is the portrait of eve

this collection is the portrait of eve

this collection is the portrait of eve

by famous jewish

by famous jewish

by famous jewish

modernist paint of belarusian origin

modernist paint of belarusian origin

modernist paint of belarusian origin

he painted in 1928 in paris

he painted in 1928 in paris

he painted in 1928 in paris

and eve became a symbol of the protest

and eve became a symbol of the protest

and eve became a symbol of the protest

back in

back in

back in

july and the hashtag giveaway evolution

july and the hashtag giveaway evolution

july and the hashtag giveaway evolution

has appeared and has been a subject of

has appeared and has been a subject of

has appeared and has been a subject of

many memes and really rallied the women

many memes and really rallied the women

many memes and really rallied the women

around

around

around

then in on august 13th the women of

then in on august 13th the women of

then in on august 13th the women of

in white movement took it to the streets

in white movement took it to the streets

in white movement took it to the streets

and i can tell from personal experience

and i can tell from personal experience

and i can tell from personal experience

about how it happened because i was on

about how it happened because i was on

about how it happened because i was on

facebook chats with many scholars from

facebook chats with many scholars from

facebook chats with many scholars from

belarus like

belarus like

belarus like

belarusian women and we were recording a

belarusian women and we were recording a

belarusian women and we were recording a

video for belsat tv

video for belsat tv

video for belsat tv

appealing to the world authorities to

appealing to the world authorities to

appealing to the world authorities to

stop violence in the letters because we

stop violence in the letters because we

stop violence in the letters because we

were so shaken

were so shaken

were so shaken

and as we were talking we found this

and as we were talking we found this

and as we were talking we found this

messenger chat

messenger chat

messenger chat

where women were also agreeing to take

where women were also agreeing to take

where women were also agreeing to take

you to the streets

you to the streets

you to the streets

and from what i understand there was a

and from what i understand there was a

and from what i understand there was a

parallel movement in many cities where

parallel movement in many cities where

parallel movement in many cities where

many people decided to do it

many people decided to do it

many people decided to do it

and it caught on

so you see women just standing

so you see women just standing

peacefully in the kamarovsky market

peacefully in the kamarovsky market

peacefully in the kamarovsky market

on august 30th and they're really scared

on august 30th and they're really scared

on august 30th and they're really scared

but also proud that

but also proud that

but also proud that

they can just stand in peace and their

they can just stand in peace and their

they can just stand in peace and their

moon doesn't get them and i'm going to

moon doesn't get them and i'm going to

moon doesn't get them and i'm going to

show you the

show you the

show you the

video of the women's march which took

video of the women's march which took

video of the women's march which took

place on august 29th just this saturday

place on august 29th just this saturday

place on august 29th just this saturday

and you can see on this picture which

and you can see on this picture which

and you can see on this picture which

actually lydia found

actually lydia found

actually lydia found

over gps tracker of one activist and how

over gps tracker of one activist and how

over gps tracker of one activist and how

much you walked on that day

much you walked on that day

much you walked on that day

and i'm going to show you a video of

and i'm going to show you a video of

and i'm going to show you a video of

something that i've never seen in my

something that i've never seen in my

something that i've never seen in my

life it's a group of women

life it's a group of women

life it's a group of women

clashing with the police and winning and

clashing with the police and winning and

clashing with the police and winning and

surrounding them

foreign

foreign

no see how this basically saving this

so you basically see that women what

so you basically see that women what

they started attacking the police

they started attacking the police

they started attacking the police

and just yesterday can you turn up your

and just yesterday can you turn up your

and just yesterday can you turn up your

volume

volume

volume

my volume yeah thanks

my volume yeah thanks

my volume yeah thanks

so could you guys see the video

so could you guys see the video

so could you guys see the video

a little more if you could turn it up a

a little more if you could turn it up a

a little more if you could turn it up a

little more that would be better

little more that would be better

little more that would be better

okay okay i will turn it up next time so

okay okay i will turn it up next time so

okay okay i will turn it up next time so

basically women have been chanting via

basically women have been chanting via

basically women have been chanting via

the power

the power

the power

miss this lies and they used

miss this lies and they used

miss this lies and they used

howling as a method of intimidating the

howling as a method of intimidating the

howling as a method of intimidating the

police

police

police

and the videos that came out from

and the videos that came out from

and the videos that came out from

yesterday and the day before are

yesterday and the day before are

yesterday and the day before are

just incredible i've never seen anything

just incredible i've never seen anything

just incredible i've never seen anything

like that in my life

like that in my life

like that in my life

um so i'm back to lydia

right well so one of the other things we

right well so one of the other things we

were gonna you mentioned how the

were gonna you mentioned how the

were gonna you mentioned how the

children are sort of chanting

children are sort of chanting

children are sort of chanting

that kind of thing um uh you know

that kind of thing um uh you know

that kind of thing um uh you know

another thing that i think is is

another thing that i think is is

another thing that i think is is

interesting is how much people are sort

interesting is how much people are sort

interesting is how much people are sort

of being forced to use technology

of being forced to use technology

of being forced to use technology

in ways that maybe they hadn't before

in ways that maybe they hadn't before

in ways that maybe they hadn't before

and i think there's a generational

and i think there's a generational

and i think there's a generational

divide that that plays into

divide that that plays into

divide that that plays into

so thinking about sort of how people

so thinking about sort of how people

so thinking about sort of how people

adapt to new technology

adapt to new technology

adapt to new technology

in order to make these these things

in order to make these these things

in order to make these these things

happen um

happen um

happen um

belarus is pretty well known here in

belarus is pretty well known here in

belarus is pretty well known here in

california for the tech sector so

california for the tech sector so

california for the tech sector so

you know there's plenty of startups with

you know there's plenty of startups with

you know there's plenty of startups with

offices in minsk

offices in minsk

offices in minsk

any program developer here has

any program developer here has

any program developer here has

interacted with a belarusian or

interacted with a belarusian or

interacted with a belarusian or

ukrainian software

ukrainian software

ukrainian software

programmer um so how does this

programmer um so how does this

programmer um so how does this

technology exchange

technology exchange

technology exchange

figure into the situation so technology

figure into the situation so technology

figure into the situation so technology

is a

is a

is a

very important part of this situation

very important part of this situation

very important part of this situation

i've already managed to mention the role

i've already managed to mention the role

i've already managed to mention the role

of

of

of

telegram platform because it was the

telegram platform because it was the

telegram platform because it was the

only platform

only platform

only platform

available working during the internet

available working during the internet

available working during the internet

shutdown

shutdown

shutdown

and um it's ceo

and um it's ceo

and um it's ceo

dorothy pablo durov he introduced the

dorothy pablo durov he introduced the

dorothy pablo durov he introduced the

anti-censorship

anti-censorship

anti-censorship

mechanism specifically for belarus and

mechanism specifically for belarus and

mechanism specifically for belarus and

one specific telegram channel rolls

one specific telegram channel rolls

one specific telegram channel rolls

around it its name

around it its name

around it its name

is alive not next as many people think

is alive not next as many people think

is alive not next as many people think

but

but

but

and its subscription grew up to two

and its subscription grew up to two

and its subscription grew up to two

million

million

million

people during the last two weeks i guess

people during the last two weeks i guess

people during the last two weeks i guess

it's it's really he really made an

it's it's really he really made an

it's it's really he really made an

impact

impact

impact

also they tried to build their votes and

also they tried to build their votes and

also they tried to build their votes and

vote independent vote counseling

vote independent vote counseling

vote independent vote counseling

platform

platform

platform

before the election and i really never

before the election and i really never

before the election and i really never

heard what happened to it and if it

heard what happened to it and if it

heard what happened to it and if it

worked and if it could

worked and if it could

worked and if it could

process the results at the same time

process the results at the same time

process the results at the same time

you have to also understand that the

you have to also understand that the

you have to also understand that the

technology sector in belarus

technology sector in belarus

technology sector in belarus

mainly employs people whom they

mainly employs people whom they

mainly employs people whom they

outsource

outsource

outsource

and these people make they have very

and these people make they have very

and these people make they have very

nice salaries but they also have things

nice salaries but they also have things

nice salaries but they also have things

to lose

to lose

to lose

so they were not the most active part of

so they were not the most active part of

so they were not the most active part of

this process

this process

this process

although right now we do have the news

although right now we do have the news

although right now we do have the news

that um

that um

that um

one of the top managers of epam company

one of the top managers of epam company

one of the top managers of epam company

the largest tech company in belarus

the largest tech company in belarus

the largest tech company in belarus

joined the transitional government and

joined the transitional government and

joined the transitional government and

is participating

is participating

is participating

in it as well but as of today all these

in it as well but as of today all these

in it as well but as of today all these

companies started to evacuate and about

companies started to evacuate and about

companies started to evacuate and about

companies left belarus already or

companies left belarus already or

companies left belarus already or

packing up their offices

packing up their offices

packing up their offices

and living and by now everyone who can

and living and by now everyone who can

and living and by now everyone who can

who is risking something has left the

who is risking something has left the

who is risking something has left the

country

country

country

as well everyone who could do that and

as well everyone who could do that and

as well everyone who could do that and

choose to do it

choose to do it

choose to do it

right not just not just tech people

right not just not just tech people

right not just not just tech people

there's also a lot of journalists who

there's also a lot of journalists who

there's also a lot of journalists who

are

are

are

either leaving because they're afraid or

either leaving because they're afraid or

either leaving because they're afraid or

leaving because they have to they're

leaving because they have to they're

leaving because they have to they're

being stripped of their

being stripped of their

being stripped of their

accreditation so in that sort of

accreditation so in that sort of

accreditation so in that sort of

context it can be really difficult to

context it can be really difficult to

context it can be really difficult to

get news about what's going on right you

get news about what's going on right you

get news about what's going on right you

have to have

have to have

have to have

russian proficiency you have to have

russian proficiency you have to have

russian proficiency you have to have

belarusian proficiency maybe polish help

belarusian proficiency maybe polish help

belarusian proficiency maybe polish help

so

so

so

so considering how dynamic the situation

so considering how dynamic the situation

so considering how dynamic the situation

and its coverage are

and its coverage are

and its coverage are

how do you monitor and what do you

how do you monitor and what do you

how do you monitor and what do you

suggest for our audience here

suggest for our audience here

suggest for our audience here

especially our russian flagship students

especially our russian flagship students

especially our russian flagship students

how should they

how should they

how should they

follow what's going on so this is

follow what's going on so this is

follow what's going on so this is

something that i want my

something that i want my

something that i want my

colleagues and our students to know

colleagues and our students to know

colleagues and our students to know

about

about

about

it is very difficult to be a journalist

it is very difficult to be a journalist

it is very difficult to be a journalist

in belarus at the moment

in belarus at the moment

in belarus at the moment

and many people has been arrested

and many people has been arrested

and many people has been arrested

tortured

tortured

tortured

wounded um the foreign press is

wounded um the foreign press is

wounded um the foreign press is

currently not admitted to the country

currently not admitted to the country

currently not admitted to the country

and people who worked on the ground has

and people who worked on the ground has

and people who worked on the ground has

lost their accreditation

lost their accreditation

lost their accreditation

just two days ago um the coverage has

just two days ago um the coverage has

just two days ago um the coverage has

been

been

been

uneven and i i stepped up into the

uneven and i i stepped up into the

uneven and i i stepped up into the

situation

situation

situation

wrote my little note that my editor was

wrote my little note that my editor was

wrote my little note that my editor was

very kind to

very kind to

very kind to

publish right away because the coverage

publish right away because the coverage

publish right away because the coverage

was so bad and i want to show you one

was so bad and i want to show you one

was so bad and i want to show you one

screen

screen

screen

so on the left you see um the western

so on the left you see um the western

so on the left you see um the western

news right after the election saying

news right after the election saying

news right after the election saying

well president

well president

well president

and there is only one npr article about

and there is only one npr article about

and there is only one npr article about

the protest

the protest

the protest

and on the right we see my ground view

and on the right we see my ground view

and on the right we see my ground view

which i received from radio liberty

which i received from radio liberty

which i received from radio liberty

of you know incredibly violent and

of you know incredibly violent and

of you know incredibly violent and

brutal protest suppression

brutal protest suppression

brutal protest suppression

um the way that i monitor the situation

um the way that i monitor the situation

um the way that i monitor the situation

now and just change and

now and just change and

now and just change and

this is what i do i check the telegram

this is what i do i check the telegram

this is what i do i check the telegram

channels because this is the primary

channels because this is the primary

channels because this is the primary

source of information which we receive

source of information which we receive

source of information which we receive

nowadays

nowadays

nowadays

so i'll look at nectar life and telegram

so i'll look at nectar life and telegram

so i'll look at nectar life and telegram

there is another channel called belarus

there is another channel called belarus

there is another channel called belarus

golovkin

and you have to understand one thing

and you have to understand one thing

about these channels that crowd source

about these channels that crowd source

about these channels that crowd source

the editors cannot process the entirety

the editors cannot process the entirety

the editors cannot process the entirety

of the information

of the information

of the information

and also all of them are not very

and also all of them are not very

and also all of them are not very

professional journalists and they're

professional journalists and they're

professional journalists and they're

working on extreme conditions and nectar

working on extreme conditions and nectar

working on extreme conditions and nectar

life of course has the political agenda

life of course has the political agenda

life of course has the political agenda

and they

and they

and they

are coordinating the efforts of the

are coordinating the efforts of the

are coordinating the efforts of the

belarusian people

belarusian people

belarusian people

to the revolutionary efforts of the

to the revolutionary efforts of the

to the revolutionary efforts of the

belarusian people

belarusian people

belarusian people

then you have your own streams there are

then you have your own streams there are

then you have your own streams there are

some belarusian streams

some belarusian streams

some belarusian streams

bilsat radio slab and they're also

bilsat radio slab and they're also

bilsat radio slab and they're also

very good stream that nastaya shivrema

very good stream that nastaya shivrema

very good stream that nastaya shivrema

which is an american news source

which is an american news source

which is an american news source

you might want to follow belarusian

you might want to follow belarusian

you might want to follow belarusian

independent news such as national

independent news such as national

independent news such as national

narrative

online and some of them are in russian

online and some of them are in russian

some of them angular wishing

some of them angular wishing

some of them angular wishing

also there is a russian language media

also there is a russian language media

also there is a russian language media

and i highly recommend meeting arizona

and i highly recommend meeting arizona

and i highly recommend meeting arizona

medusa which has an english version by

medusa which has an english version by

medusa which has an english version by

the way

sometimes publish things on belarus and

sometimes publish things on belarus and

the rest of russian media landscape is

the rest of russian media landscape is

the rest of russian media landscape is

extremely tricky

extremely tricky

extremely tricky

and you have to understand that you'll

and you have to understand that you'll

and you have to understand that you'll

be getting the secondary like secondhand

be getting the secondary like secondhand

be getting the secondary like secondhand

information from them

information from them

information from them

there is also european media including

there is also european media including

there is also european media including

polish and

polish and

polish and

ukrainian which is trying to do a very

ukrainian which is trying to do a very

ukrainian which is trying to do a very

good job on the coverage

good job on the coverage

good job on the coverage

um now in america i have to say who is

um now in america i have to say who is

um now in america i have to say who is

writing

writing

writing

for the belarusian so the situation with

for the belarusian so the situation with

for the belarusian so the situation with

coverage in the major newspapers has

coverage in the major newspapers has

coverage in the major newspapers has

improved

improved

improved

recently and among the people who

recently and among the people who

recently and among the people who

stepped up first

stepped up first

stepped up first

were masha gessen from new yorkers

were masha gessen from new yorkers

were masha gessen from new yorkers

professor timothy snyder who wrote a

professor timothy snyder who wrote a

professor timothy snyder who wrote a

very good op-ed column for i think

very good op-ed column for i think

very good op-ed column for i think

washington post

washington post

washington post

and you really have to read

and you really have to read

and you really have to read

maybe journalists of the belarusian

maybe journalists of the belarusian

maybe journalists of the belarusian

origin

origin

origin

who follow the news and sensitize a lot

who follow the news and sensitize a lot

who follow the news and sensitize a lot

of information and

of information and

of information and

write these reports and right now they

write these reports and right now they

write these reports and right now they

have two names that come to mind for the

have two names that come to mind for the

have two names that come to mind for the

major people who writes him this is

major people who writes him this is

major people who writes him this is

maria sadoska komlej

maria sadoska komlej

maria sadoska komlej

who is who has been trained at the

who is who has been trained at the

who is who has been trained at the

columbia university graduate school of

columbia university graduate school of

columbia university graduate school of

journalism

journalism

journalism

she's very good and she writes for

she's very good and she writes for

she's very good and she writes for

foreign affairs she also writes for

foreign affairs she also writes for

foreign affairs she also writes for

political and i really follow her

political and i really follow her

political and i really follow her

articles and also dr nelly backus who is

articles and also dr nelly backus who is

articles and also dr nelly backus who is

teaching at the university of

teaching at the university of

teaching at the university of

accessor who is was published three or

accessor who is was published three or

accessor who is was published three or

four articles by now and she is

four articles by now and she is

four articles by now and she is

really specialist in the questions of

really specialist in the questions of

really specialist in the questions of

velar ocean identity and post-soviet

velar ocean identity and post-soviet

velar ocean identity and post-soviet

identity and knows

identity and knows

identity and knows

the region really well also the

the region really well also the

the region really well also the

institute for human sciences

institute for human sciences

institute for human sciences

and vienna is published in a curated

and vienna is published in a curated

and vienna is published in a curated

list

list

list

called chronicle from belarus and

called chronicle from belarus and

called chronicle from belarus and

they're updating their information

they're updating their information

they're updating their information

regularly and i hope i'll be

regularly and i hope i'll be

regularly and i hope i'll be

contributing to

contributing to

contributing to

this page as well

i'm really looking forward to that um so

i'm really looking forward to that um so

thinking about sort of

thinking about sort of

thinking about sort of

news sources i've seen that maybe aren't

news sources i've seen that maybe aren't

news sources i've seen that maybe aren't

quite as accurate or maybe have a

quite as accurate or maybe have a

quite as accurate or maybe have a

an interesting bias uh from our own

an interesting bias uh from our own

an interesting bias uh from our own

context are

context are

context are

we just talking about these twitter

we just talking about these twitter

we just talking about these twitter

lessons okay this is what we're talking

lessons okay this is what we're talking

lessons okay this is what we're talking

about they

about they

about they

uh seem pretty confused uh they like to

uh seem pretty confused uh they like to

uh seem pretty confused uh they like to

apply their own lens to the situation

apply their own lens to the situation

apply their own lens to the situation

and some of them think that this is

and some of them think that this is

and some of them think that this is

the nationalist takeover of a a social

the nationalist takeover of a a social

the nationalist takeover of a a social

estate

estate

estate

they think it might be some kind of plot

they think it might be some kind of plot

they think it might be some kind of plot

by the cia

by the cia

by the cia

so what would you tell this group of

so what would you tell this group of

so what would you tell this group of

people and how would you sort of assess

people and how would you sort of assess

people and how would you sort of assess

the status quo

the status quo

the status quo

of the belarusian process for them

of the belarusian process for them

of the belarusian process for them

well thank you for this question and i

well thank you for this question and i

well thank you for this question and i

have seen many interesting statements

have seen many interesting statements

have seen many interesting statements

made by the american leftists as well

made by the american leftists as well

made by the american leftists as well

but

but

but

as an educator i understand that

as an educator i understand that

as an educator i understand that

people synthetize the opinions about the

people synthetize the opinions about the

people synthetize the opinions about the

situation from the building blocks that

situation from the building blocks that

situation from the building blocks that

they have

they have

they have

and it's natural and i usually explain

and it's natural and i usually explain

and it's natural and i usually explain

it to my students and friends that the

it to my students and friends that the

it to my students and friends that the

words

words

words

socialism and nationalism in the

socialism and nationalism in the

socialism and nationalism in the

belarusian context mean slightly

belarusian context mean slightly

belarusian context mean slightly

different things

different things

different things

so to really assess the situation i

so to really assess the situation i

so to really assess the situation i

would not

would not

would not

use the terms of nationalist versus

use the terms of nationalist versus

use the terms of nationalist versus

post-nationalist revolution

post-nationalist revolution

post-nationalist revolution

in describing these events because the

in describing these events because the

in describing these events because the

situation

situation

situation

is more complicated and it is

is more complicated and it is

is more complicated and it is

complicated precisely because

complicated precisely because

complicated precisely because

the status of the belarusian language

the status of the belarusian language

the status of the belarusian language

and culture

and culture

and culture

is assessed as vulnerable not endangered

is assessed as vulnerable not endangered

is assessed as vulnerable not endangered

not

not

not

threatened but still vulnerable we have

threatened but still vulnerable we have

threatened but still vulnerable we have

the belarusian

the belarusian

the belarusian

like belarusian is not doing well as a

like belarusian is not doing well as a

like belarusian is not doing well as a

language so you have to

language so you have to

language so you have to

remember that also i don't think the

remember that also i don't think the

remember that also i don't think the

situation is confusing about the class

situation is confusing about the class

situation is confusing about the class

base

base

base

of this event because we have a

of this event because we have a

of this event because we have a

great solidarity and unification

great solidarity and unification

great solidarity and unification

literally across all the strategies of

literally across all the strategies of

literally across all the strategies of

society from

society from

society from

workers to intelligence and autism it

workers to intelligence and autism it

workers to intelligence and autism it

seems as a genuine

seems as a genuine

seems as a genuine

bipartisan movement for democratization

bipartisan movement for democratization

bipartisan movement for democratization

in the country

in the country

in the country

so this would be my answer yeah that's

so this would be my answer yeah that's

so this would be my answer yeah that's

great

great

great

um i think i think one of the problems

um i think i think one of the problems

um i think i think one of the problems

with that point of view is the sort of

with that point of view is the sort of

with that point of view is the sort of

reductive

reductive

reductive

class analysis without cultural context

class analysis without cultural context

class analysis without cultural context

so one of the other things i'm seeing

so one of the other things i'm seeing

so one of the other things i'm seeing

are lots of

are lots of

are lots of

um one of the interviews you did the the

um one of the interviews you did the the

um one of the interviews you did the the

interviewer just kept sort of suggesting

interviewer just kept sort of suggesting

interviewer just kept sort of suggesting

parallels and you had to sort of choose

parallels and you had to sort of choose

parallels and you had to sort of choose

them down so there can be some

them down so there can be some

them down so there can be some

inaccurate or even harmful comparisons

inaccurate or even harmful comparisons

inaccurate or even harmful comparisons

that we're seeing right now

that we're seeing right now

that we're seeing right now

um so what are some good comparisons we

um so what are some good comparisons we

um so what are some good comparisons we

could be making what are some accurate

could be making what are some accurate

could be making what are some accurate

or appropriate

or appropriate

or appropriate

historic or contemporary parallels to be

historic or contemporary parallels to be

historic or contemporary parallels to be

making

making

making

well i'm still thinking about it and i

well i'm still thinking about it and i

well i'm still thinking about it and i

think that the belarusian

think that the belarusian

think that the belarusian

current situation is very

current situation is very

current situation is very

different from everything that i know

different from everything that i know

different from everything that i know

but it's also similar to some situations

but it's also similar to some situations

but it's also similar to some situations

the polish solidarity instantly comes to

the polish solidarity instantly comes to

the polish solidarity instantly comes to

mind because you have workers strike and

mind because you have workers strike and

mind because you have workers strike and

you're they're using the same song by

you're they're using the same song by

you're they're using the same song by

yazik kashmarsky which in itself

yazik kashmarsky which in itself

yazik kashmarsky which in itself

is a revolutionary song of the catalan

is a revolutionary song of the catalan

is a revolutionary song of the catalan

resistance written by

resistance written by

resistance written by

lula solidarity

lula solidarity

lula solidarity

we could also compare it to

we could also compare it to

we could also compare it to

the ukrainian maidan and it's not the

the ukrainian maidan and it's not the

the ukrainian maidan and it's not the

same because there is no geopolitical

same because there is no geopolitical

same because there is no geopolitical

agenda

agenda

agenda

in this protest and they're largely

in this protest and they're largely

in this protest and they're largely

peaceful

peaceful

peaceful

um if we are compared to the armenian

um if we are compared to the armenian

um if we are compared to the armenian

situation

situation

situation

i think we would indulge in a wishful

i think we would indulge in a wishful

i think we would indulge in a wishful

thinking because everyone wishes for the

thinking because everyone wishes for the

thinking because everyone wishes for the

peaceful transition of power

peaceful transition of power

peaceful transition of power

but president alexander lukashenko

but president alexander lukashenko

but president alexander lukashenko

is not the same he would not give it up

is not the same he would not give it up

is not the same he would not give it up

peacefully and also armenia does

peacefully and also armenia does

peacefully and also armenia does

not have this border with the european

not have this border with the european

not have this border with the european

union it is a slightly different

union it is a slightly different

union it is a slightly different

geopolitical situation

i don't know if you have seen or two

i don't know if you have seen or two

images of president alexander lukashenko

images of president alexander lukashenko

images of president alexander lukashenko

holding a machine gun floating around

holding a machine gun floating around

holding a machine gun floating around

past two weekends so the comparison with

past two weekends so the comparison with

past two weekends so the comparison with

qadhafi's regime

qadhafi's regime

qadhafi's regime

and other you know totalitarian regimes

and other you know totalitarian regimes

and other you know totalitarian regimes

also comes to mind

also comes to mind

also comes to mind

but so far i think there was an osmosis

but so far i think there was an osmosis

but so far i think there was an osmosis

of the protest techniques

of the protest techniques

of the protest techniques

but the situation itself is very unique

but the situation itself is very unique

but the situation itself is very unique

and

and

and

might set a precedent for the emergence

might set a precedent for the emergence

might set a precedent for the emergence

of the

of the

of the

revolution of a different kind

well so pulling back to your mention of

well so pulling back to your mention of

these

these

these

machine gun photos which are getting a

machine gun photos which are getting a

machine gun photos which are getting a

lot of of interest

lot of of interest

lot of of interest

um and the comparison to gaddafi i mean

um and the comparison to gaddafi i mean

um and the comparison to gaddafi i mean

uh

uh

uh

one of the implications there is that

one of the implications there is that

one of the implications there is that

there could be a a very violent end to

there could be a a very violent end to

there could be a a very violent end to

what's going on right now that's always

what's going on right now that's always

what's going on right now that's always

sort of at the back of the situation

sort of at the back of the situation

sort of at the back of the situation

um which brings me to my i guess

um which brings me to my i guess

um which brings me to my i guess

set of expertise i i work on the gulag i

set of expertise i i work on the gulag i

set of expertise i i work on the gulag i

um

um

um

i started off in doing human rights

i started off in doing human rights

i started off in doing human rights

internships i was in moscow

internships i was in moscow

internships i was in moscow

translating reports about police

translating reports about police

translating reports about police

kidnappings in the caucuses and so

kidnappings in the caucuses and so

kidnappings in the caucuses and so

when i look at the situation i i see the

when i look at the situation i i see the

when i look at the situation i i see the

protests and the brutality that's

protests and the brutality that's

protests and the brutality that's

happening there it's

happening there it's

happening there it's

it's not unfamiliar you know like it's

it's not unfamiliar you know like it's

it's not unfamiliar you know like it's

horrifying but i've seen it

horrifying but i've seen it

horrifying but i've seen it

things like this happen before and so

things like this happen before and so

things like this happen before and so

you know let's talk about the

you know let's talk about the

you know let's talk about the

people that have disappeared without a

people that have disappeared without a

people that have disappeared without a

trace i think over 100 people so far

trace i think over 100 people so far

trace i think over 100 people so far

at yesterday's protest at least 200

at yesterday's protest at least 200

at yesterday's protest at least 200

people were detained and interrogated

people were detained and interrogated

people were detained and interrogated

pretty brutally um from what we can tell

pretty brutally um from what we can tell

pretty brutally um from what we can tell

and so it's kind of odd that

and so it's kind of odd that

and so it's kind of odd that

you know focusing on all these these uh

you know focusing on all these these uh

you know focusing on all these these uh

the women's protests and the

the women's protests and the

the women's protests and the

the beautiful things that are happening

the beautiful things that are happening

the beautiful things that are happening

it's odd that we don't really talk about

it's odd that we don't really talk about

it's odd that we don't really talk about

the violence that's underlying a lot of

the violence that's underlying a lot of

the violence that's underlying a lot of

these events that really underlies

these events that really underlies

these events that really underlies

lukashenko's entire regime so

lukashenko's entire regime so

lukashenko's entire regime so

can we talk about that why do you think

can we talk about that why do you think

can we talk about that why do you think

it's happening and what

it's happening and what

it's happening and what

how can we assess these violations of

how can we assess these violations of

how can we assess these violations of

human rights

so this is perhaps the most

so this is perhaps the most

underreported

underreported

underreported

aspect of the lukashenko regime because

aspect of the lukashenko regime because

aspect of the lukashenko regime because

we do have the massive

we do have the massive

we do have the massive

tortures that are still happening in

tortures that are still happening in

tortures that are still happening in

jail four people

jail four people

jail four people

are dead and it is nearly impossible to

are dead and it is nearly impossible to

are dead and it is nearly impossible to

count the wounded and the missing people

count the wounded and the missing people

count the wounded and the missing people

because the count

because the count

because the count

is always always changing and i

is always always changing and i

is always always changing and i

am monitoring telegram chairs of visna

am monitoring telegram chairs of visna

am monitoring telegram chairs of visna

human rights organization etc um

human rights organization etc um

human rights organization etc um

it is also perhaps the central question

it is also perhaps the central question

it is also perhaps the central question

to

to

to

why it has happened and i do not think i

why it has happened and i do not think i

why it has happened and i do not think i

have a complete answer but i have some

have a complete answer but i have some

have a complete answer but i have some

answers

answers

answers

first of all these levels of violence

first of all these levels of violence

first of all these levels of violence

already existed in the belarusian

already existed in the belarusian

already existed in the belarusian

society in various forms

society in various forms

society in various forms

in forms of domestic abuse in

in forms of domestic abuse in

in forms of domestic abuse in

forms of the prison tortures that were

forms of the prison tortures that were

forms of the prison tortures that were

going on for many years

going on for many years

going on for many years

in forms of murder of the political

in forms of murder of the political

in forms of murder of the political

opponents of the president lukashenko it

opponents of the president lukashenko it

opponents of the president lukashenko it

is not new but it is as if somebody

is not new but it is as if somebody

is not new but it is as if somebody

turned the volume up and we can no

turned the volume up and we can no

turned the volume up and we can no

longer bear it

longer bear it

longer bear it

also there is some problem with the

also there is some problem with the

also there is some problem with the

legal

legal

legal

definition of torture and the

definition of torture and the

definition of torture and the

legislation that comes from it

legislation that comes from it

legislation that comes from it

and the human rights organization have

and the human rights organization have

and the human rights organization have

been trying to bring attention to this

been trying to bring attention to this

been trying to bring attention to this

problem for a very very long time

problem for a very very long time

problem for a very very long time

the legislation as such has not been

the legislation as such has not been

the legislation as such has not been

updated

updated

updated

lastly the there was no decommunization

lastly the there was no decommunization

lastly the there was no decommunization

on belarus and therefore its sacred

on belarus and therefore its sacred

on belarus and therefore its sacred

police is operating in the very same way

police is operating in the very same way

police is operating in the very same way

it has been operating since the 1930s

it has been operating since the 1930s

it has been operating since the 1930s

these forms of violence repeat again and

these forms of violence repeat again and

these forms of violence repeat again and

again

again

again

and lastly we already know that the

and lastly we already know that the

and lastly we already know that the

human beings

human beings

human beings

when they're situated in specific

when they're situated in specific

when they're situated in specific

conditions where they have no

conditions where they have no

conditions where they have no

accountability for their actions they

accountability for their actions they

accountability for their actions they

can

can

can

act really ugly and something like the

act really ugly and something like the

act really ugly and something like the

stanford prison experiment comes to mind

stanford prison experiment comes to mind

stanford prison experiment comes to mind

so this is something that people will be

so this is something that people will be

so this is something that people will be

really working on and sorting through

really working on and sorting through

really working on and sorting through

for a very very long time

well another comparison we can bring in

well another comparison we can bring in

there is

there is

there is

to to the nazi occupation of belarus

to to the nazi occupation of belarus

to to the nazi occupation of belarus

this is a really huge part of belarusian

this is a really huge part of belarusian

this is a really huge part of belarusian

cultural

cultural

cultural

history cultural trauma really so what

history cultural trauma really so what

history cultural trauma really so what

extent did what were to impact the

extent did what were to impact the

extent did what were to impact the

country why are these comparisons

country why are these comparisons

country why are these comparisons

emerging

so this is indeed the most popular

so this is indeed the most popular

parallel to the nazi occupation

parallel to the nazi occupation

parallel to the nazi occupation

and many reports come out right now

and many reports come out right now

and many reports come out right now

saying that we woke up as if

saying that we woke up as if

saying that we woke up as if

under the occupation time and again

under the occupation time and again

under the occupation time and again

the only problem that i have with this

the only problem that i have with this

the only problem that i have with this

comparison is that

comparison is that

comparison is that

it presupposes that your enemy is

it presupposes that your enemy is

it presupposes that your enemy is

external

external

external

and the enemy of the belarusian people

and the enemy of the belarusian people

and the enemy of the belarusian people

is internal

is internal

is internal

and she's a part of the society also

and she's a part of the society also

and she's a part of the society also

stalinism

stalinism

stalinism

is not taught in schools the way that

is not taught in schools the way that

is not taught in schools the way that

world war ii is and there is a big

world war ii is and there is a big

world war ii is and there is a big

japanese department

japanese department

japanese department

but the nasa occupation is a lived

but the nasa occupation is a lived

but the nasa occupation is a lived

experience and is in the belarusian

experience and is in the belarusian

experience and is in the belarusian

memory

memory

memory

and for many people it is different

and for many people it is different

and for many people it is different

compared to other places in the world

compared to other places in the world

compared to other places in the world

and i can tell you that

and i can tell you that

and i can tell you that

as a child i growing up in the 80s and

as a child i growing up in the 80s and

as a child i growing up in the 80s and

the provincial belarusian town i

the provincial belarusian town i

the provincial belarusian town i

frequently had nightmares about the

frequently had nightmares about the

frequently had nightmares about the

nazis

nazis

nazis

it just impacted me that much and i

it just impacted me that much and i

it just impacted me that much and i

think

think

think

this is the very same story for many

this is the very same story for many

this is the very same story for many

people and i hope you guys

people and i hope you guys

people and i hope you guys

had a chance to check out the

had a chance to check out the

had a chance to check out the

non-fiction work by tatiana

non-fiction work by tatiana

non-fiction work by tatiana

zumirovsky who collected the dreams of

zumirovsky who collected the dreams of

zumirovsky who collected the dreams of

the belarusian people about lukashan

the belarusian people about lukashan

the belarusian people about lukashan

was very interesting that's when i sent

was very interesting that's when i sent

was very interesting that's when i sent

to everyone i was like you have to look

to everyone i was like you have to look

to everyone i was like you have to look

at this this is so wild

at this this is so wild

at this this is so wild

um i thought it was really uh wonderful

um i thought it was really uh wonderful

um i thought it was really uh wonderful

how open people were

how open people were

how open people were

about their dreams looking at her work

about their dreams looking at her work

about their dreams looking at her work

she she documents people's dreams about

she she documents people's dreams about

she she documents people's dreams about

lukashenka so it's really interesting

lukashenka so it's really interesting

lukashenka so it's really interesting

um so it's it's very revealing of the

um so it's it's very revealing of the

um so it's it's very revealing of the

sort of natural psychology that you talk

sort of natural psychology that you talk

sort of natural psychology that you talk

about

about

about

um so thinking about this i mean

um so thinking about this i mean

um so thinking about this i mean

trauma in the long term we know that

trauma in the long term we know that

trauma in the long term we know that

there's going to be a lot to deal with

there's going to be a lot to deal with

there's going to be a lot to deal with

but what's

but what's

but what's

in the short term what are the sort of

in the short term what are the sort of

in the short term what are the sort of

what's happening next on the ground

what's happening next on the ground

what's happening next on the ground

well i have to also explain that i'm an

well i have to also explain that i'm an

well i have to also explain that i'm an

immigrant and i'm not a political

immigrant and i'm not a political

immigrant and i'm not a political

science specialist i

science specialist i

science specialist i

know mostly about the belarusian culture

know mostly about the belarusian culture

know mostly about the belarusian culture

but

but

but

the most obvious short-term

the most obvious short-term

the most obvious short-term

predictions are like first of all there

predictions are like first of all there

predictions are like first of all there

will be a huge economic crisis

will be a huge economic crisis

will be a huge economic crisis

it's already been underway because of

it's already been underway because of

it's already been underway because of

the covet

the covet

the covet

situation and it will strike the country

situation and it will strike the country

situation and it will strike the country

really hard

really hard

really hard

also they will have a very strong

also they will have a very strong

also they will have a very strong

second wave of the covet pandemic

second wave of the covet pandemic

second wave of the covet pandemic

because the country has not been in

because the country has not been in

because the country has not been in

quarantine

quarantine

quarantine

at all no one is wearing masks you have

at all no one is wearing masks you have

at all no one is wearing masks you have

mass protests going on so you can

mass protests going on so you can

mass protests going on so you can

imagine

imagine

imagine

um now i also know that president

um now i also know that president

um now i also know that president

lukashenko would not give up power

lukashenko would not give up power

lukashenko would not give up power

peacefully

peacefully

peacefully

or willingly and he is delusional and

or willingly and he is delusional and

or willingly and he is delusional and

extremely dangerous right now

extremely dangerous right now

extremely dangerous right now

so the situation but the situation

so the situation but the situation

so the situation but the situation

remains fluid and it's really hard to

remains fluid and it's really hard to

remains fluid and it's really hard to

make these types of predictions for the

make these types of predictions for the

make these types of predictions for the

transition of power

transition of power

transition of power

sure so yeah i think that this whole

sure so yeah i think that this whole

sure so yeah i think that this whole

conversation that we're having is really

conversation that we're having is really

conversation that we're having is really

indicative of how difficult

indicative of how difficult

indicative of how difficult

difficult it is to sort of frame

difficult it is to sort of frame

difficult it is to sort of frame

discursively the event as it's happening

discursively the event as it's happening

discursively the event as it's happening

and we're inside of it as well so

and we're inside of it as well so

and we're inside of it as well so

as we're trying to find out the reasons

as we're trying to find out the reasons

as we're trying to find out the reasons

why things are happening how are we

why things are happening how are we

why things are happening how are we

preserving what's happening at the same

preserving what's happening at the same

preserving what's happening at the same

time

time

time

for example here in the states we've

for example here in the states we've

for example here in the states we've

been preserving the library of congress

been preserving the library of congress

been preserving the library of congress

is saving

is saving

is saving

graffiti from black lives matter

graffiti from black lives matter

graffiti from black lives matter

protests

protests

protests

what are we saving right now from

what are we saving right now from

what are we saving right now from

belarus

belarus

belarus

so i'm just going to talk quickly about

so i'm just going to talk quickly about

so i'm just going to talk quickly about

the initiatives that i know

the initiatives that i know

the initiatives that i know

that are happening um the berkeley

that are happening um the berkeley

that are happening um the berkeley

librarian leela darpanzo who used to

librarian leela darpanzo who used to

librarian leela darpanzo who used to

work

work

work

with us at ucla is currently trying to

with us at ucla is currently trying to

with us at ucla is currently trying to

preserve

preserve

preserve

all the websites and all the news that

all the websites and all the news that

all the websites and all the news that

have been posted and i've been

have been posted and i've been

have been posted and i've been

submitting several links to him

submitting several links to him

submitting several links to him

also the belarusian translation journal

also the belarusian translation journal

also the belarusian translation journal

sweet are collecting posters of the

sweet are collecting posters of the

sweet are collecting posters of the

protests and trying to build this

protests and trying to build this

protests and trying to build this

collection

collection

collection

and i started building a protest music

and i started building a protest music

and i started building a protest music

archive

archive

archive

downloading all the videos i can find

downloading all the videos i can find

downloading all the videos i can find

and organizing them and i think i'll be

and organizing them and i think i'll be

and organizing them and i think i'll be

ready to

ready to

ready to

release it as a website in a couple of

release it as a website in a couple of

release it as a website in a couple of

months

months

months

wow that's fantastic i'm really looking

wow that's fantastic i'm really looking

wow that's fantastic i'm really looking

forward to that um

forward to that um

forward to that um

so how about we look at some of the

so how about we look at some of the

so how about we look at some of the

stuff you have um

stuff you have um

stuff you have um

collected so far you talked about music

collected so far you talked about music

collected so far you talked about music

but there's all kinds of cultural

but there's all kinds of cultural

but there's all kinds of cultural

responses that we could be looking at

responses that we could be looking at

responses that we could be looking at

literature

literature

literature

visual art all kinds of things

i'll just try to use the time that

i'll just try to use the time that

remains to advertise

remains to advertise

remains to advertise

some aspects of the belarusian culture

some aspects of the belarusian culture

some aspects of the belarusian culture

but i'm afraid we might

but i'm afraid we might

but i'm afraid we might

not have the in-depth time to go over

not have the in-depth time to go over

not have the in-depth time to go over

them

them

them

first of all there is a lot of

first of all there is a lot of

first of all there is a lot of

literature in translation that has

literature in translation that has

literature in translation that has

recently appeared

recently appeared

recently appeared

and you have to understand the special

and you have to understand the special

and you have to understand the special

role that the translators have in this

role that the translators have in this

role that the translators have in this

society

society

society

swedland hanover herself is a translator

swedland hanover herself is a translator

swedland hanover herself is a translator

and she learned

and she learned

and she learned

english as a child as a child noble

english as a child as a child noble

english as a child as a child noble

child visiting the great britain um

child visiting the great britain um

child visiting the great britain um

one of the most important ports of today

one of the most important ports of today

one of the most important ports of today

is

is

is

valjean amorto is an american belarusian

valjean amorto is an american belarusian

valjean amorto is an american belarusian

poet and she just published a wonderful

poet and she just published a wonderful

poet and she just published a wonderful

wonderful poem in new york

wonderful poem in new york

wonderful poem in new york

called to antigone and dispatch

called to antigone and dispatch

called to antigone and dispatch

it was also translated to russian by

it was also translated to russian by

it was also translated to russian by

galina rimbo

galina rimbo

galina rimbo

who is a wonderful poet to follow and

who is a wonderful poet to follow and

who is a wonderful poet to follow and

published on kolta and you know that the

published on kolta and you know that the

published on kolta and you know that the

editor of the cultural

editor of the cultural

editor of the cultural

section of quota is a best friend of

section of quota is a best friend of

section of quota is a best friend of

wikileaks

wikileaks

wikileaks

so it's a circle of the same people

so it's a circle of the same people

so it's a circle of the same people

working

working

working

moving culture around there are also two

moving culture around there are also two

moving culture around there are also two

poems by dmitry strotz if one is

poems by dmitry strotz if one is

poems by dmitry strotz if one is

translated by

translated by

translated by

the ucsd professor emilia blazer

the ucsd professor emilia blazer

the ucsd professor emilia blazer

and the other one is translated by the

and the other one is translated by the

and the other one is translated by the

russian

russian

russian

reader and i'm not sure who is behind it

reader and i'm not sure who is behind it

reader and i'm not sure who is behind it

it's anonymous translation

it's anonymous translation

it's anonymous translation

um there is one more translation of hana

um there is one more translation of hana

um there is one more translation of hana

severinian's

severinian's

severinian's

um protest from the stun grenade done by

um protest from the stun grenade done by

um protest from the stun grenade done by

the british translator jim dingling

the british translator jim dingling

the british translator jim dingling

which will be published

which will be published

which will be published

very very soon and while general moore

very very soon and while general moore

very very soon and while general moore

translated you like

translated you like

translated you like

my favorite poem the stone of fear which

my favorite poem the stone of fear which

my favorite poem the stone of fear which

i calculated as a link and it is a

i calculated as a link and it is a

i calculated as a link and it is a

powerful poem

powerful poem

powerful poem

and julia is one of the most

and julia is one of the most

and julia is one of the most

interesting belarusian poets working

interesting belarusian poets working

interesting belarusian poets working

today

today

today

as well as her husband alhair bahari

as well as her husband alhair bahari

as well as her husband alhair bahari

edition we just received the news that

edition we just received the news that

edition we just received the news that

the translation of

the translation of

the translation of

his book the children of alien dark will

his book the children of alien dark will

his book the children of alien dark will

come out in english

come out in english

come out in english

in september also tatiana zemierovska

in september also tatiana zemierovska

in september also tatiana zemierovska

whom we mentioned

whom we mentioned

whom we mentioned

who is a fantastic author and she

who is a fantastic author and she

who is a fantastic author and she

graduated

graduated

graduated

from the creative writing program at

from the creative writing program at

from the creative writing program at

bards college

bards college

bards college

there is also a new belarusian protest

there is also a new belarusian protest

there is also a new belarusian protest

poetry collection

poetry collection

poetry collection

in russian translated by gennady

in russian translated by gennady

in russian translated by gennady

kanyevsky and i will send you the link

kanyevsky and i will send you the link

kanyevsky and i will send you the link

that's been published by paulo tona

that's been published by paulo tona

that's been published by paulo tona

journal

journal

journal

so this is our poetry situation and i

so this is our poetry situation and i

so this is our poetry situation and i

will quickly show you the visual arts

will quickly show you the visual arts

will quickly show you the visual arts

and a snippet of a song okay

and a snippet of a song okay

and a snippet of a song okay

so i've been kind of looking for what is

so i've been kind of looking for what is

so i've been kind of looking for what is

happening in the art world

happening in the art world

happening in the art world

and how the artists respond and i think

and how the artists respond and i think

and how the artists respond and i think

i found

i found

i found

the essence of the visual style emerging

the essence of the visual style emerging

the essence of the visual style emerging

today

today

today

um the image on your left is famous now

um the image on your left is famous now

um the image on your left is famous now

ruthina baslov a prague based artist who

ruthina baslov a prague based artist who

ruthina baslov a prague based artist who

embroidered the revolution and i

embroidered the revolution and i

embroidered the revolution and i

recommend to all the students to check

recommend to all the students to check

recommend to all the students to check

out her instagram account because she

out her instagram account because she

out her instagram account because she

does very interesting work

does very interesting work

does very interesting work

the artwork on your left is antonina

the artwork on your left is antonina

the artwork on your left is antonina

slabotchuko

slabotchuko

slabotchuko

from maine's school has created the

from maine's school has created the

from maine's school has created the

imagery of the revolution used by

imagery of the revolution used by

imagery of the revolution used by

millions of people and this is from u.s

millions of people and this is from u.s

millions of people and this is from u.s

graphic work and tony

graphic work and tony

graphic work and tony

is indeed a very talented artist and

is indeed a very talented artist and

is indeed a very talented artist and

then i added two more men

then i added two more men

then i added two more men

this is a palindrome by nikolai khalid

this is a palindrome by nikolai khalid

this is a palindrome by nikolai khalid

and who is more known

and who is more known

and who is more known

as a founder of the free theater company

as a founder of the free theater company

as a founder of the free theater company

which is based in london

which is based in london

which is based in london

and the palindrome roughly translates

and the palindrome roughly translates

and the palindrome roughly translates

sagna galway as romania of us

sagna galway as romania of us

sagna galway as romania of us

and also to your right is the work by

and also to your right is the work by

and also to your right is the work by

vladimir cesler from means called the

vladimir cesler from means called the

vladimir cesler from means called the

famous conceptualist artist

famous conceptualist artist

famous conceptualist artist

and um this one work is just wonderful

and um this one work is just wonderful

and um this one work is just wonderful

it says

it says

it says

in this house on these days with lana

in this house on these days with lana

in this house on these days with lana

lexia which

lexia which

lexia which

the nobel award price recipient and

the nobel award price recipient and

the nobel award price recipient and

literature has been

literature has been

literature has been

interrogated because it's true she was

interrogated because it's true she was

interrogated because it's true she was

summoned for interrogation

summoned for interrogation

summoned for interrogation

and the other work shows you the coat of

and the other work shows you the coat of

and the other work shows you the coat of

arms of the belarusian socialist

arms of the belarusian socialist

arms of the belarusian socialist

republic

republic

republic

with a funeral ribbon and this reverse

with a funeral ribbon and this reverse

with a funeral ribbon and this reverse

chronology kind of expresses tesla's

chronology kind of expresses tesla's

chronology kind of expresses tesla's

sentiment about the lucas anchor regime

sentiment about the lucas anchor regime

sentiment about the lucas anchor regime

and the year 1937 of course being very

and the year 1937 of course being very

and the year 1937 of course being very

significant in belarusian history

significant in belarusian history

significant in belarusian history

because this is the year when the

because this is the year when the

because this is the year when the

belarusian intelligence

belarusian intelligence

belarusian intelligence

was almost entirely wiped out by

was almost entirely wiped out by

was almost entirely wiped out by

the purges um i also

the purges um i also

the purges um i also

just want to show you quickly how

just want to show you quickly how

just want to show you quickly how

belarusians adopt the famous music and

belarusians adopt the famous music and

belarusians adopt the famous music and

make their own statements

make their own statements

make their own statements

i think most of the students know victor

i think most of the students know victor

i think most of the students know victor

tsouison pirimian which

tsouison pirimian which

tsouison pirimian which

became really the soundtrack of this

became really the soundtrack of this

became really the soundtrack of this

revolution but

revolution but

revolution but

in my work archiving the music this is

in my work archiving the music this is

in my work archiving the music this is

the only russian song and the rest of

the only russian song and the rest of

the only russian song and the rest of

belarusian

belarusian

belarusian

and this is how the russians have

and this is how the russians have

and this is how the russians have

adapted

adapted

adapted

so experience did you guys see this

so experience did you guys see this

so experience did you guys see this

video yet

video yet

video yet

this is new this is the most most famous

this is new this is the most most famous

this is new this is the most most famous

viral

viral

viral

video circulating around the internet

video circulating around the internet

video circulating around the internet

and i hope that you can hear the sound

so it starts playing in the corner can

so it starts playing in the corner can

you see that and you can hit the

you see that and you can hit the

you see that and you can hit the

the video to make it go full screen from

the video to make it go full screen from

the video to make it go full screen from

the corner

the corner

the corner

oh okay yeah just right

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okay so what i want the point which i

okay so what i want the point which i

okay so what i want the point which i

wanted to

wanted to

wanted to

make about this video is first of all

make about this video is first of all

make about this video is first of all

look at these instruments

look at these instruments

look at these instruments

thousands of people share this on

thousands of people share this on

thousands of people share this on

facebook without knowing that this is

facebook without knowing that this is

facebook without knowing that this is

not a scottish pile

not a scottish pile

not a scottish pile

but the belarusian our friendship

but the belarusian our friendship

but the belarusian our friendship

musical instrument which comes from the

musical instrument which comes from the

musical instrument which comes from the

traditional culture

traditional culture

traditional culture

and it existed as early as the

and it existed as early as the

and it existed as early as the

and the most important works of the

and the most important works of the

and the most important works of the

belarusian literature from the 19th

belarusian literature from the 19th

belarusian literature from the 19th

century anonymous poems to the poetry of

century anonymous poems to the poetry of

century anonymous poems to the poetry of

bianca kopala

bianca kopala

bianca kopala

and dudar the image of duder is really

and dudar the image of duder is really

and dudar the image of duder is really

this national poet the bardem you see

this national poet the bardem you see

this national poet the bardem you see

him on the screen so

him on the screen so

him on the screen so

this is the song of the revolution this

this is the song of the revolution this

this is the song of the revolution this

is choice content but

is choice content but

is choice content but

adapted to the local audience

adapted to the local audience

adapted to the local audience

and of course we had also seen the

and of course we had also seen the

and of course we had also seen the

circulation of many poems by yankokupala

circulation of many poems by yankokupala

circulation of many poems by yankokupala

and one of the links which i suggested

and one of the links which i suggested

and one of the links which i suggested

talks about

yesterday which is also very interesting

yesterday which is also very interesting

text text in itself and i

text text in itself and i

text text in itself and i

am sharing just briefly the screen right

am sharing just briefly the screen right

am sharing just briefly the screen right

now to explain

now to explain

now to explain

that it articulates to the outmost

that it articulates to the outmost

that it articulates to the outmost

degree the current belarusian

degree the current belarusian

degree the current belarusian

predicament

predicament

predicament

it is based on a sort of dialogue who

it is based on a sort of dialogue who

it is based on a sort of dialogue who

are you my own

are you my own

are you my own

a local what do you want about a lot

a local what do you want about a lot

a local what do you want about a lot

what what is that

what what is that

what what is that

bread and salt what yes what else land

bread and salt what yes what else land

bread and salt what yes what else land

in freedom where were you born in mount

in freedom where were you born in mount

in freedom where were you born in mount

village

village

village

were you baptized there by the roadside

were you baptized there by the roadside

were you baptized there by the roadside

with what you annoy anointed with blood

with what you annoy anointed with blood

with what you annoy anointed with blood

and sweat

and sweat

and sweat

what do you want to be not to be cattle

what do you want to be not to be cattle

what do you want to be not to be cattle

and

and

and

this is a message that the protesters

this is a message that the protesters

this is a message that the protesters

have been sending

have been sending

have been sending

out to the entire world and the

out to the entire world and the

out to the entire world and the

predicament that

predicament that

predicament that

many people can relate to and i would

many people can relate to and i would

many people can relate to and i would

like to finish

like to finish

like to finish

this talk with the images that lydia

this talk with the images that lydia

this talk with the images that lydia

took yesterday on hollywood boulevard

took yesterday on hollywood boulevard

took yesterday on hollywood boulevard

um capturing the belarusian protest

um capturing the belarusian protest

um capturing the belarusian protest

there in our own town and you see here

there in our own town and you see here

there in our own town and you see here

collision between the

collision between the

collision between the

black lives matter bike procession and

black lives matter bike procession and

black lives matter bike procession and

the belarusians

the belarusians

the belarusians

and i think lydia has a phenomenal

and i think lydia has a phenomenal

and i think lydia has a phenomenal

photographic sense

photographic sense

photographic sense

sensitivity and to create very good

sensitivity and to create very good

sensitivity and to create very good

pictures

okay and now if there are any questions

okay and now if there are any questions

i would be

i would be

i would be

we would be happy to take them

i believe we have a question from kim

i believe we have a question from kim

okay yes hi thank you for your lecture

okay yes hi thank you for your lecture

okay yes hi thank you for your lecture

um

um

um

i teach in the theater department

i teach in the theater department

i teach in the theater department

because i don't know most people here

because i don't know most people here

because i don't know most people here

um i'm just wondering about the role of

um i'm just wondering about the role of

um i'm just wondering about the role of

diaspora

diaspora

diaspora

at a grassroots level you mentioned

at a grassroots level you mentioned

at a grassroots level you mentioned

key academics journalists artists who

key academics journalists artists who

key academics journalists artists who

are

are

are

voicing and participating in this moment

voicing and participating in this moment

voicing and participating in this moment

in solidarity but i'm just wondering

in solidarity but i'm just wondering

in solidarity but i'm just wondering

more about the grassroots level response

more about the grassroots level response

more about the grassroots level response

from the esport community

from the esport community

from the esport community

thank you so the diaspora community has

thank you so the diaspora community has

thank you so the diaspora community has

been

been

been

more united than ever and raised about

more united than ever and raised about

more united than ever and raised about

two million dollars in a matter of

two million dollars in a matter of

two million dollars in a matter of

several weeks

several weeks

several weeks

um we have also seen the most

um we have also seen the most

um we have also seen the most

the largest protests outside of the u.s

the largest protests outside of the u.s

the largest protests outside of the u.s

that belarusian has ever done and i

that belarusian has ever done and i

that belarusian has ever done and i

can't even compare it to them

can't even compare it to them

can't even compare it to them

support maidan ukrainian protest i think

support maidan ukrainian protest i think

support maidan ukrainian protest i think

the turnout of the belarusian protest is

the turnout of the belarusian protest is

the turnout of the belarusian protest is

slightly larger

and also someone like ivanka avila who

and also someone like ivanka avila who

is the president of

is the president of

is the president of

rad of the russian people's republic

rad of the russian people's republic

rad of the russian people's republic

from 1918

from 1918

from 1918

she is very active and she wrote a

she is very active and she wrote a

she is very active and she wrote a

wonderful statement and this all the

wonderful statement and this all the

wonderful statement and this all the

immigration is welcoming the events and

immigration is welcoming the events and

immigration is welcoming the events and

helping

helping

helping

all they can

looks like we have a question from terry

looks like we have a question from terry

yes hi

yes hi

yes hi

uh thank you so much sasha for this

uh thank you so much sasha for this

uh thank you so much sasha for this

really comprehensive um

really comprehensive um

really comprehensive um

presentation i wanted to ask you i know

presentation i wanted to ask you i know

presentation i wanted to ask you i know

you're more into the cultural

you're more into the cultural

you're more into the cultural

um into the cultural dimension of this

um into the cultural dimension of this

um into the cultural dimension of this

but i wanted to ask

but i wanted to ask

but i wanted to ask

a more political question if if i can um

a more political question if if i can um

a more political question if if i can um

do you think that the us um in the name

do you think that the us um in the name

do you think that the us um in the name

of you know

of you know

of you know

restoring democracy or even just

restoring democracy or even just

restoring democracy or even just

establishing it there in belarus

establishing it there in belarus

establishing it there in belarus

can make a meaningful dent um

can make a meaningful dent um

can make a meaningful dent um

in terms of what's going on over there i

in terms of what's going on over there i

in terms of what's going on over there i

mean can

mean can

mean can

things be rectified um in a place

things be rectified um in a place

things be rectified um in a place

where you know it's close to russia you

where you know it's close to russia you

where you know it's close to russia you

have issues with the eu

have issues with the eu

have issues with the eu

can something meaningful be done thank

can something meaningful be done thank

can something meaningful be done thank

you

you

you

well i think that the international

well i think that the international

well i think that the international

community

community

community

and the us in particular can of course

and the us in particular can of course

and the us in particular can of course

help by providing the platform for

help by providing the platform for

help by providing the platform for

negotiations

negotiations

negotiations

listening to the transitional government

listening to the transitional government

listening to the transitional government

and

and

and

helping to facilitate the elections i

helping to facilitate the elections i

helping to facilitate the elections i

also think that the united states and a

also think that the united states and a

also think that the united states and a

very difficult

very difficult

very difficult

situation right now themselves with the

situation right now themselves with the

situation right now themselves with the

upcoming election

upcoming election

upcoming election

and i it is my fear that with this

and i it is my fear that with this

and i it is my fear that with this

looming domestic agenda it will be very

looming domestic agenda it will be very

looming domestic agenda it will be very

difficult to

difficult to

difficult to

get people to take some sort of action

get people to take some sort of action

get people to take some sort of action

but of course

but of course

but of course

um all kind of political presence

um all kind of political presence

um all kind of political presence

validation and just

validation and just

validation and just

discussion would help tremendously but i

discussion would help tremendously but i

discussion would help tremendously but i

would not be the person to ask to

would not be the person to ask to

would not be the person to ask to

introduce the sanctions or to to send

introduce the sanctions or to to send

introduce the sanctions or to to send

the military help

the military help

the military help

at the same time

how about cooper yes thank you guys

how about cooper yes thank you guys

thank you sasha so much for your

thank you sasha so much for your

thank you sasha so much for your

presentation it's really enlightening

presentation it's really enlightening

presentation it's really enlightening

um i was i'm interested in in the music

um i was i'm interested in in the music

um i was i'm interested in in the music

that you've

that you've

that you've

you've found uh in these protests the

you've found uh in these protests the

you've found uh in these protests the

soy song pity me

soy song pity me

soy song pity me

strikes me as a very interesting example

strikes me as a very interesting example

strikes me as a very interesting example

particularly because it comes from a

particularly because it comes from a

particularly because it comes from a

russian source

russian source

russian source

um i'm wondering if there are any other

um i'm wondering if there are any other

um i'm wondering if there are any other

what patterns you've seen

what patterns you've seen

what patterns you've seen

among the protest music um are there any

among the protest music um are there any

among the protest music um are there any

sources that strike you as particularly

sources that strike you as particularly

sources that strike you as particularly

interesting

interesting

interesting

what are the sources are they folk songs

what are the sources are they folk songs

what are the sources are they folk songs

are they pop songs

are they pop songs

are they pop songs

thank you so much so by now i think

thank you so much so by now i think

thank you so much so by now i think

there is about

there is about

there is about

recently compiled

recently compiled

recently compiled

in a protest songbook already published

in a protest songbook already published

in a protest songbook already published

and distributed by free by

and distributed by free by

and distributed by free by

very interesting ethnomusicologist

who has been working on this campaign of

who has been working on this campaign of

returning the song to

returning the song to

returning the song to

his people and so espirimena is the only

his people and so espirimena is the only

his people and so espirimena is the only

russian song on this list

russian song on this list

russian song on this list

um the rest include the belarusian folk

um the rest include the belarusian folk

um the rest include the belarusian folk

songs

songs

songs

the older anthem songs to the songs

the older anthem songs to the songs

the older anthem songs to the songs

composed to the lyrics of the belarusian

composed to the lyrics of the belarusian

composed to the lyrics of the belarusian

poets

poets

poets

and of course um the solidarities on

and of course um the solidarities on

and of course um the solidarities on

murray is the polished one that is

murray is the polished one that is

murray is the polished one that is

present

present

present

the rest of belarus and both folk and

the rest of belarus and both folk and

the rest of belarus and both folk and

non-folk

i'm just adding a link to his song book

i'm just adding a link to his song book

to the facebook post for his song book

to the facebook post for his song book

to the facebook post for his song book

in the chat so everyone can check that

in the chat so everyone can check that

in the chat so everyone can check that

out if they're interested

out if they're interested

out if they're interested

that's a really cool one this was just

that's a really cool one this was just

that's a really cool one this was just

released yesterday

you have a question from roman also yeah

you have a question from roman also yeah

i'm just curious um for the maidan in

i'm just curious um for the maidan in

i'm just curious um for the maidan in

ukraine

ukraine

ukraine

uh the song of the day was lapid

uh the song of the day was lapid

uh the song of the day was lapid

strubetzkoy's

strubetzkoy's

strubetzkoy's

uh uh uh anthem and lapis stupid square

uh uh uh anthem and lapis stupid square

uh uh uh anthem and lapis stupid square

of course is a bella russian band

of course is a bella russian band

of course is a bella russian band

uh what did the uh biel russian um

situa the the demonstrations so forth

situa the the demonstrations so forth

take from the ukrainian

take from the ukrainian

take from the ukrainian

maidan in terms of its uh

maidan in terms of its uh

maidan in terms of its uh

in terms of art music

in terms of art music

in terms of art music

and so forth so um

and so forth so um

and so forth so um

i will probably break up this question

i will probably break up this question

i will probably break up this question

into and thank you for the question

into and thank you for the question

into and thank you for the question

professor karapi

professor karapi

professor karapi

um first of all belarusian

um first of all belarusian

um first of all belarusian

protests are not similar to maidan and

protests are not similar to maidan and

protests are not similar to maidan and

they're dissimilar in a number of ways

they're dissimilar in a number of ways

they're dissimilar in a number of ways

and i understand that many of my

and i understand that many of my

and i understand that many of my

ukrainian friends and colleagues when

ukrainian friends and colleagues when

ukrainian friends and colleagues when

they see this happen

they see this happen

they see this happen

and they do have some kind of ptsd and

and they do have some kind of ptsd and

and they do have some kind of ptsd and

they

they

they

keep advising like this journalist war

keep advising like this journalist war

keep advising like this journalist war

journalist arkady baptian

journalist arkady baptian

journalist arkady baptian

keep fighting you have to burn some

keep fighting you have to burn some

keep fighting you have to burn some

tires you'll never have freedom if you

tires you'll never have freedom if you

tires you'll never have freedom if you

don't suffer you have to kill someone

don't suffer you have to kill someone

don't suffer you have to kill someone

but

but

but

it is a it is a different country in a

it is a it is a different country in a

it is a it is a different country in a

different situation

different situation

different situation

um they have taken the word karate for

um they have taken the word karate for

um they have taken the word karate for

sure

sure

sure

um they have

um they have

um they have

taken this stance of solidarity you know

taken this stance of solidarity you know

taken this stance of solidarity you know

like i think okay the probably the most

like i think okay the probably the most

like i think okay the probably the most

closest parallel to madan

closest parallel to madan

closest parallel to madan

is the creation of water

is the creation of water

is the creation of water

is called an anthropology community it

is called an anthropology community it

is called an anthropology community it

is a term introduced by emil durham when

is a term introduced by emil durham when

is a term introduced by emil durham when

people come together and there is

people come together and there is

people come together and there is

this kind of like situation of the

this kind of like situation of the

this kind of like situation of the

social meltdown when hierarchies

social meltdown when hierarchies

social meltdown when hierarchies

disappear and everyone's brother and

disappear and everyone's brother and

disappear and everyone's brother and

sister enchanted together

sister enchanted together

sister enchanted together

so effervescence humanitas that is very

so effervescence humanitas that is very

so effervescence humanitas that is very

similar it's also similar to many

similar it's also similar to many

similar it's also similar to many

protests across the world

protests across the world

protests across the world

um lapis tropics coy is an interesting

um lapis tropics coy is an interesting

um lapis tropics coy is an interesting

example

example

example

the name of the band leader is sergey

the name of the band leader is sergey

the name of the band leader is sergey

mikhalog

mikhalog

mikhalog

and he indeed wrote the most important

and he indeed wrote the most important

and he indeed wrote the most important

track of the ukrainian revolution

track of the ukrainian revolution

track of the ukrainian revolution

buenos viet which was by the way in

buenos viet which was by the way in

buenos viet which was by the way in

russian

russian

russian

he's also fought for many years for the

he's also fought for many years for the

he's also fought for many years for the

belarusian culture and recorded songs in

belarusian culture and recorded songs in

belarusian culture and recorded songs in

belarusian

belarusian

belarusian

um michalog disappeared for three weeks

um michalog disappeared for three weeks

um michalog disappeared for three weeks

and didn't make a statement and the only

and didn't make a statement and the only

and didn't make a statement and the only

song which was taken from

song which was taken from

song which was taken from

him was clear basoli this poem

him was clear basoli this poem

him was clear basoli this poem

that i showed the which he wrote to

that i showed the which he wrote to

that i showed the which he wrote to

young

young

young

palace verse and he made a beautiful

palace verse and he made a beautiful

palace verse and he made a beautiful

music video people seen that

music video people seen that

music video people seen that

and he just suddenly reemerged i think

and he just suddenly reemerged i think

and he just suddenly reemerged i think

two days ago

two days ago

two days ago

with a new song for the belarusians

with a new song for the belarusians

with a new song for the belarusians

but he is he has already lost his

but he is he has already lost his

but he is he has already lost his

moral authority as the music artist of

moral authority as the music artist of

moral authority as the music artist of

the protest and people love him and they

the protest and people love him and they

the protest and people love him and they

respect his legacy but he is also not in

respect his legacy but he is also not in

respect his legacy but he is also not in

belarus he is in ukraine

belarus he is in ukraine

belarus he is in ukraine

and he's been silent for too long

um i was wondering if you think there

um i was wondering if you think there

might be any analogs for the outcome

might be any analogs for the outcome

might be any analogs for the outcome

to venezuela where the west and most of

to venezuela where the west and most of

to venezuela where the west and most of

the world

the world

the world

ended up recognizing one ruler and

ended up recognizing one ruler and

ended up recognizing one ruler and

russia recognizing

russia recognizing

russia recognizing

a separate ruler and there being

a separate ruler and there being

a separate ruler and there being

somewhat of a

somewhat of a

somewhat of a

separate government or shadow government

separate government or shadow government

separate government or shadow government

melissa thank you for the question it is

melissa thank you for the question it is

melissa thank you for the question it is

excellent so right now many people are

excellent so right now many people are

excellent so right now many people are

considering a scenario called

considering a scenario called

considering a scenario called

way of last year in russian when you

way of last year in russian when you

way of last year in russian when you

have

have

have

two parallel governments and two

two parallel governments and two

two parallel governments and two

parallel authorities

parallel authorities

parallel authorities

forming so this scenario is indeed

forming so this scenario is indeed

forming so this scenario is indeed

plausible when the

plausible when the

plausible when the

old president would not release his

old president would not release his

old president would not release his

power and he's been acting as the

power and he's been acting as the

power and he's been acting as the

occupational administration already

occupational administration already

occupational administration already

and we do have this transitional

and we do have this transitional

and we do have this transitional

coordination committee that

coordination committee that

coordination committee that

has been formed on an extremely

has been formed on an extremely

has been formed on an extremely

democratic basis

democratic basis

democratic basis

hi um i i just wanted to um thank you so

hi um i i just wanted to um thank you so

hi um i i just wanted to um thank you so

much for this really

much for this really

much for this really

fascinating presentation it really was

fascinating presentation it really was

fascinating presentation it really was

quite extraordinary and

quite extraordinary and

quite extraordinary and

introduced all of us to so much

introduced all of us to so much

introduced all of us to so much

literature and arts as well as

literature and arts as well as

literature and arts as well as

techniques of resistance that

techniques of resistance that

techniques of resistance that

we haven't known about and um so thank

we haven't known about and um so thank

we haven't known about and um so thank

you for that

you for that

you for that

um just in the vein of

um just in the vein of

um just in the vein of

um an initiative that we have at the

um an initiative that we have at the

um an initiative that we have at the

international institute this year

international institute this year

international institute this year

on global perspectives on black lives

on global perspectives on black lives

on global perspectives on black lives

matter

matter

matter

i was wondering about the the timing

i was wondering about the the timing

i was wondering about the the timing

the inspiration the connections

the inspiration the connections

the inspiration the connections

between various international

between various international

between various international

protest movements of the same moment

protest movements of the same moment

protest movements of the same moment

that

that

that

might have been spoken about in in the

might have been spoken about in in the

might have been spoken about in in the

course of the protests

course of the protests

course of the protests

so black lives matter was definitely a

so black lives matter was definitely a

so black lives matter was definitely a

huge

huge

huge

inspiration for the belarusian people as

inspiration for the belarusian people as

inspiration for the belarusian people as

well for

well for

well for

as for many people across the world

as for many people across the world

as for many people across the world

and they even attempted to introduce a

and they even attempted to introduce a

and they even attempted to introduce a

hashtag belarusian life matters but they

hashtag belarusian life matters but they

hashtag belarusian life matters but they

rejected the idea very quickly because

rejected the idea very quickly because

rejected the idea very quickly because

they understood that it would be

they understood that it would be

they understood that it would be

triggering to people

triggering to people

triggering to people

but such signs also floated around and

but such signs also floated around and

but such signs also floated around and

at the test not

at the test not

at the test not

for the lack of cultural sensitivity but

for the lack of cultural sensitivity but

for the lack of cultural sensitivity but

for the desire

for the desire

for the desire

to use models which have succeeded

to use models which have succeeded

to use models which have succeeded

before um

before um

before um

the most distant feature of the glarus

the most distant feature of the glarus

the most distant feature of the glarus

and protest

and protest

and protest

is its peacefulness and insistence on

is its peacefulness and insistence on

is its peacefulness and insistence on

its peaceful nature and in this respect

its peaceful nature and in this respect

its peaceful nature and in this respect

it does differ from the black lives

it does differ from the black lives

it does differ from the black lives

matter protests

matter protests

matter protests

but people who as this was happening in

but people who as this was happening in

but people who as this was happening in

los

los

los

angeles i talked to many belarusians and

angeles i talked to many belarusians and

angeles i talked to many belarusians and

i was describing what i'm seeing on the

i was describing what i'm seeing on the

i was describing what i'm seeing on the

ground

ground

ground

and i can say without most certainty

and i can say without most certainty

and i can say without most certainty

that

that

that

they expressed a lot of solidarity yeah

they expressed a lot of solidarity yeah

they expressed a lot of solidarity yeah

with the black lives matters movement

with the black lives matters movement

with the black lives matters movement

and they just chose a very different

and they just chose a very different

and they just chose a very different

strategy themselves

strategy themselves

strategy themselves

thank you so much um if i could just

thank you so much um if i could just

thank you so much um if i could just

really just briefly talk about yesterday

really just briefly talk about yesterday

really just briefly talk about yesterday

uh we were on hollywood boulevard

uh we were on hollywood boulevard

uh we were on hollywood boulevard

and there was like a direct clash and

and there was like a direct clash and

and there was like a direct clash and

you can even see

you can even see

you can even see

in the pictures um the

in the pictures um the

in the pictures um the

there was a bike rally for black lives

there was a bike rally for black lives

there was a bike rally for black lives

matter and they were

matter and they were

matter and they were

posted sort of around the all black

posted sort of around the all black

posted sort of around the all black

lives matter

lives matter

lives matter

uh what is it it's a mural but it's on

uh what is it it's a mural but it's on

uh what is it it's a mural but it's on

hollywood boulevard and so what happened

hollywood boulevard and so what happened

hollywood boulevard and so what happened

was at first

was at first

was at first

the belarusian group had sort of walked

the belarusian group had sort of walked

the belarusian group had sort of walked

onto it because it was free space

onto it because it was free space

onto it because it was free space

and then the sort of dialogue arose

and then the sort of dialogue arose

and then the sort of dialogue arose

which got a little tense sometimes

which got a little tense sometimes

which got a little tense sometimes

was was the black lives matter

was was the black lives matter

was was the black lives matter

protesters were just like please don't

protesters were just like please don't

protesters were just like please don't

walk on this mural this is a very

walk on this mural this is a very

walk on this mural this is a very

important mural and so there was just a

important mural and so there was just a

important mural and so there was just a

little bit it was maybe like

little bit it was maybe like

little bit it was maybe like

three minutes where everyone was just

three minutes where everyone was just

three minutes where everyone was just

trying to figure out what was going on

trying to figure out what was going on

trying to figure out what was going on

and then everyone was just sort of

and then everyone was just sort of

and then everyone was just sort of

educating each other about what they

educating each other about what they

educating each other about what they

cared about

cared about

cared about

it turned something tense into something

it turned something tense into something

it turned something tense into something

really like beautiful and productive

really like beautiful and productive

really like beautiful and productive

and very peaceful of it course

and very peaceful of it course

and very peaceful of it course

and it was amazing to see how that how

and it was amazing to see how that how

and it was amazing to see how that how

that went down yesterday

i believe we had another question from

i believe we had another question from

professor kim

professor kim

professor kim

um i don't want to dominate the question

um i don't want to dominate the question

um i don't want to dominate the question

session but um so that slogan that this

session but um so that slogan that this

session but um so that slogan that this

is not

is not

is not

normal is a very powerful reminder of

normal is a very powerful reminder of

normal is a very powerful reminder of

how abnormal things have been for

how abnormal things have been for

how abnormal things have been for

so long so i guess i'm afraid that my

so long so i guess i'm afraid that my

so long so i guess i'm afraid that my

question might kind of spill out of this

question might kind of spill out of this

question might kind of spill out of this

moment harking back to the whole

moment harking back to the whole

moment harking back to the whole

post 1990s but um what do you think

post 1990s but um what do you think

post 1990s but um what do you think

are the factors that enabled such

are the factors that enabled such

are the factors that enabled such

abnormal

abnormal

abnormal

kind of monopoly of power for so long in

kind of monopoly of power for so long in

kind of monopoly of power for so long in

the lows

the lows

the lows

because i think you know one of the

because i think you know one of the

because i think you know one of the

hardest things in um

hardest things in um

hardest things in um

studies of authoritarianism

studies of authoritarianism

studies of authoritarianism

totalitarianism is to really

totalitarianism is to really

totalitarianism is to really

make outsiders understand how it

make outsiders understand how it

make outsiders understand how it

actually works so i guess

actually works so i guess

actually works so i guess

my question comes from that also

my question comes from that also

my question comes from that also

abstract level of thinking about it

abstract level of thinking about it

abstract level of thinking about it

i have a very short and very simple

i have a very short and very simple

i have a very short and very simple

answer to it

answer to it

answer to it

the word decapitation comes to mind

the word decapitation comes to mind

the word decapitation comes to mind

we've never had

we've never had

we've never had

decommunization policies which took

decommunization policies which took

decommunization policies which took

place there has been no illustration

place there has been no illustration

place there has been no illustration

and there has been no productive ways

and there has been no productive ways

and there has been no productive ways

for the society to deal with the levels

for the society to deal with the levels

for the society to deal with the levels

of violence and corruption

of violence and corruption

of violence and corruption

and so they were building from this very

and so they were building from this very

and so they were building from this very

unsteady ground to begin with and the

unsteady ground to begin with and the

unsteady ground to begin with and the

lukashenko regime

lukashenko regime

lukashenko regime

added yet more terror more human rights

added yet more terror more human rights

added yet more terror more human rights

violations and more violence to this

violations and more violence to this

violations and more violence to this

equation

equation

equation

so people who are chance and this is not

so people who are chance and this is not

so people who are chance and this is not

normal

normal

normal

i don't think they've no they've seen

i don't think they've no they've seen

i don't think they've no they've seen

normal ever in their life and there is

normal ever in their life and there is

normal ever in their life and there is

entire generation of children

entire generation of children

entire generation of children

who grew up under the tyrant and had

who grew up under the tyrant and had

who grew up under the tyrant and had

never had a free day in their life

never had a free day in their life

never had a free day in their life

so i think the normalization

so i think the normalization

so i think the normalization

which has taken place and the discourse

which has taken place and the discourse

which has taken place and the discourse

of normality

of normality

of normality

is hard won for these people

is hard won for these people

is hard won for these people

can i just enter interject one quick

can i just enter interject one quick

can i just enter interject one quick

comment this is laurie hart again

comment this is laurie hart again

comment this is laurie hart again

um i remember that

um i remember that

um i remember that

during the bosnian war one of the

during the bosnian war one of the

during the bosnian war one of the

phrases that you would repeatedly hear

phrases that you would repeatedly hear

phrases that you would repeatedly hear

was um when someone behaved in

was um when someone behaved in

was um when someone behaved in

um you know a a human human way

um you know a a human human way

um you know a a human human way

across the ethnic divides that were then

across the ethnic divides that were then

across the ethnic divides that were then

so

so

so

inflammatory and lethal people would say

inflammatory and lethal people would say

inflammatory and lethal people would say

uh this is a normal person you know this

uh this is a normal person you know this

uh this is a normal person you know this

is behaving normally

is behaving normally

is behaving normally

so the word normal became a kind of inv

so the word normal became a kind of inv

so the word normal became a kind of inv

an ethical invocation as well as a

an ethical invocation as well as a

an ethical invocation as well as a

as a sort of stark um condemnation of

as a sort of stark um condemnation of

as a sort of stark um condemnation of

the psychosis

the psychosis

the psychosis

as it were of the of the conflict um so

as it were of the of the conflict um so

as it were of the of the conflict um so

i think that's an incredibly powerful

i think that's an incredibly powerful

i think that's an incredibly powerful

word when it can be used in

word when it can be used in

word when it can be used in

in that kind of strategic way absolutely

in that kind of strategic way absolutely

in that kind of strategic way absolutely

i

i

i

absolutely agree

would there be one more question or

would there be one more question or

should we call it a day

i think the questions has been excellent

i think the questions has been excellent

susan and

susan and

susan and

thank you so much for giving me a

thank you so much for giving me a

thank you so much for giving me a

platform to talk

platform to talk

platform to talk

it has been very important for me to

it has been very important for me to

it has been very important for me to

communicate this message to the academic

communicate this message to the academic

communicate this message to the academic

community and to our students

community and to our students

community and to our students

and let's see what what happens next

and let's see what what happens next

and let's see what what happens next

i hate to speak in cliches but the

i hate to speak in cliches but the

i hate to speak in cliches but the

situation remains fluid and thank you

situation remains fluid and thank you

situation remains fluid and thank you

lydia for co-hosting you've been a

lydia for co-hosting you've been a

lydia for co-hosting you've been a

wonderful co-host

wonderful co-host

wonderful co-host

thanks so much to both of you we are all

thanks so much to both of you we are all

thanks so much to both of you we are all

so grateful i can tell by the questions

so grateful i can tell by the questions

so grateful i can tell by the questions

it really has has been an enormously

it really has has been an enormously

it really has has been an enormously

informative session and we're very very

informative session and we're very very

informative session and we're very very

grateful to you

grateful to you

grateful to you

for your for your time and your

for your for your time and your

for your for your time and your

expertise and your passion

expertise and your passion

expertise and your passion

thank you so much


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