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welcome everyone i appreciate the chance
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to join you today
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although i'm sorry that we're coming
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together in such an awful heartbreaking
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moment
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at times like this your words do
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literally ease the pain
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but as ucla's chancellor and simply as
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an individual
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i want to say to all of our asian asian
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american and pacific islander bruins
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and we care deeply about your safety
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your well-being
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and we recognize the grief anger and
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exasperation you're feeling
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this week's terrible attacks which led
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to the deaths of seven women and one man
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six of whom were women of asian descent
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took place amidst
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rising xenophobia fueled by unjust
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resentment and scapegoating
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related to the covet 19. we also know
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that this goes back much further
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to the murder of vincent chen to the
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internment
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camps japan during the japanese
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americans during world war ii
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to the laws against asian immigration to
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a history of casting asians and pacific
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islanders as the perpetual other
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instead of recognizing their
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individuality dignity and humanity
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and of each person and respecting that
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person's heritage
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at times this history can feel
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overwhelming but we must hold on to the
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hope that what we do at ucla matters
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we endeavor to build a community with
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shared commitment to equity diversity
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and inclusion
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we bring people all backgrounds together
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to learn and collaborate with one
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another we study
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vexing social issues and we work towards
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solutions
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most critically we show compassion for
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one another in times of distress
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all of these are statements about a
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better world we want to create
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and about our commitment to creating it
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in my message about anti-asian hate last
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month
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i quoted the late chinese-american civil
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rights activist grace lee boggs
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who once said that the only way to
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survive is by taking care of one another
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she was exactly right
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and we need to hear her in this moment
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take care of one another is the only way
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going forward
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it's the only way that will progress as
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a community and we must all remember
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that
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on this sad day and what i hope are
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better days to come
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thank you
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good evening everyone i want to join
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chancellor block in thanking you all for
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gathering tonight
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we gather to decry this horrific
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violence and the hatred and racism
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taking place right now targeting people
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for being asian asian american and
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pacific islander
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and in many cases for being women for
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everyone here
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especially students i want to
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acknowledge the pain and the hate that
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this hatred causes
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the fear it creates about what might be
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next
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and the toll it takes during an already
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exhausting time
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the entire equity diversity and
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inclusion team and i are here to support
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we have resources available on our
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website and we'll be hosting an event to
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hold space in early april
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we know that in times like these we need
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to come together as a community
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and i am very grateful to be here with
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you this evening
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thank you
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thank you so much chancellor block and
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vice chancellor bradley we really
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appreciate your presence and your
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support and
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before i bring up our main speakers
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we are university and at the core of the
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university is our student population and
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wanted to highlight the voices of two of
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our undergraduate students
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and we welcome them to join us to share
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their reflections and
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how they're coping and handling and what
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wisdom they have for us and i hope we
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can learn from them as much as
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uh we're really looking forward to them
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sharing their experience and so without
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further ado i want to bring to the stage
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tiffany
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doe tiffany is a sociology major
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a member of the class of 2021
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and she has been quite active in various
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programs on campus
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to advocate for vietnamese american
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students and
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i'm just very happy tiffany is here to
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join us tiffany would you mind sharing a
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few words
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yes thank you for having me um professor
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michael berry
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thank you for everyone that has
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organized this event and
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for everyone here to who are joining us
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in this very important um discussion
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that we're having
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i wanted to share my perspective as a
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student
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and how i support my community as an
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individual and also
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a person that is involved with various
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southeast asian
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organization spaces and
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i think for me um the main
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thing that i am very proud of
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is the power of students coming together
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to uplift our communities and some of
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the things that i've been involved with
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this past year is i was a
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staff member for the southeast asian
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students for organizing conference which
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is the second
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this year was our second conference that
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we held and that was all
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led by students and the amazing thing
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this year is that
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it was a variety of students coming
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together from
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all over the country not just at ucla
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and not just southeast asian students
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and it was the power of
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the students coming together to really
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create a space
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to talk about how we can really support
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our communities and also
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have cross community solidarity
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um not just with the southeast asian
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community but also with
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the black community um indigenous
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community and latinx community
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um so that has been very um uplifting
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for me personally being a part of that
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and another
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big part of my student experience has
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been being
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a c clear staff member seclair being
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the southeast asian retention project
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which is a student-led
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project at ucla that has been
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a really big source of my community and
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also a way that i
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have been supporting students throughout
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this pandemic but especially during this
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time with all of the
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um rise with the asian hate crimes and
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all the things that we're dealing with
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as students
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so for me i don't really see myself as
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being just a student like that at this
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time really
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is not the most important thing and i
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think it's more important for me to
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be together with other students and
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up continue to uplift our communities in
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different ways that we can
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whether that's holding events for one
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another um having conversations with one
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with our peers um with our
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like professors like i had the
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opportunity of talking to two hung
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and also with other scholars as well
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that has been very helpful for me and
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i think my goal with all of that has
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just been to create a safe space
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to process our emotions to brainstorm
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actions to support one another in our
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communities
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and also just provide a connection with
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another human being
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whether we have similar experiences and
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perspectives or not i think it's really
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important especially during this time
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to connect with one another and um
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just continue to talk about how we can
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continue to
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just fight the oppression that we face
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and i think
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the main takeaways that um i wanted to
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leave with y'all is that for me it's
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very comforting to know
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that there are many others who seek the
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same
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goals of liberation and have had
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the experiences in the history of
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planting the seed
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before me and also there are people who
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are continuing to fight for our
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communities now
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and there will be people who continue to
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fight for us
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following my generation i also wanted to
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acknowledge that
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violence doesn't just come in the form
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of personal violence such as hate crimes
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but it's embedded in our culture and our
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structure
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through microaggressions systemic racism
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deportation mass incarceration
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war on our communities both in the
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states and overseas
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and just overall barriers to resources
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so while we focus on the hate crimes
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that have been arising we also
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need to acknowledge the history of
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violence
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that continues to oppress our
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communities
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as we continue to have these
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conversations and continue to fight
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against that
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and another conversation that i recently
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had
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with um that i wanted to
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say is that what is very motivational
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for me
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is just focusing on building
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relationships to support one another
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because that's what i think has been
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helping me and what
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can help everyone else especially our
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community as a whole
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and overall every single day
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what i'm trying to do is just be open to
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change and open to growth
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knowing that this isn't an issue that i
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can simply
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resolve on my own but this is something
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i have to work towards throughout the
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rest of my life
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and as intimating as that sounds it's
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also very comforting to know
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that um this is something that
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um i'm not just doing alone and that i
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have the rest of my community to
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back up um me so thank you for the space
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for sharing
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my thoughts and i wish the best to all
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of you
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thank you tiffany our next speaker is
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another
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ucla undergraduate mariana schroeder who
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is a sociology major
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class of 2021 she is also the managing
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editor of the journal of world affairs
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and her work is exhibits her passion for
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such topics as race gender mental health
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and homelessness
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as well as the intersection of those
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areas so mariana
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yeah i have a little bit of background
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noise it just started but i'll try to
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speak loudly but i wanted to start off
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just by thanking
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um you professor barry for allowing me
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to be a part of this event
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and for taking in that feedback from a
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student and organizing this to happen
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and for um professor winfo2 for inviting
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me to come and speak and be a part of
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this
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very important conversation and i'm also
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really happy to meet some of you too
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with
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fellow members of the asian american
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community and dedicated scholars and
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activists
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and thank you so much to i'm chancellor
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walken vice chancellor bradley for being
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here too and taking the time to listen
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um i also want to preface my comments
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just by saying that i'll be relying
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a lot more on my notes and i'd like to
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just because it's the last
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not just this most recent um hate crime
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but just
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this past over a month in general has
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just been very emotionally
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difficult for me and traumatic to get
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through so i'm gonna
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be relying on my notes just so i can say
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everything i want to get um
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said so um just a little bit on my
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background perspective so
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i i think i can offer a little bit of a
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unique perspective being half white and
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happy to me
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so my grandpa um my mom's family was
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from south vietnam
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and my grandpa my mom's dad was working
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with the cia from there and facing death
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threats so they had to come here during
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the first wave of vietnamese refugees in
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1975
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so and then my dad was born here in
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orange california where i live
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in orange county so kind of having that
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unique perspective
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of a hybrid identity and not really
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being completely white or completely
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asian has kind of
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given me an opportunity to navigate
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different binary spaces and kind of
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operate between them too
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and kind of from being from that
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background of being white and asian i've
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had
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people mock my vietnamese middle name
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hunt which i rarely say because
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i get so traumatized over the comments
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i've endured from both other students
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and staff
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over my vietnamese name and just
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comments too from even teachers and
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friends about
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having almond shaped eyes or having
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narrow features which
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i am lucky as a white person and having
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a white name
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that i don't have to worry as much about
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being subject to a
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verbal or physical attack as maybe other
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members of my community that have more
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asian predominant features
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but then it also is a double-edged sword
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because it comes with a lot of racist
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and harmful comments that i've had to
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endure
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in both my k through 12 and post
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secondary experience because of how
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people will feel comfortable saying
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things that they wouldn't say if they
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knew there was an asian in the room and
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i feel like it's kind of
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allowed me to operate undercover in a
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way that i hear a lot of comments that
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i maybe otherwise wouldn't hear if i
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weren't white or at least racially
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ambiguous passing
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so some of these are just fetishizing
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asian women and desexualizing asian men
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um showing how deeply ingrained these
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asian stereotypes are in us society and
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in casual conversation
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um one of the most disturbing ones to me
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happened in orange county when i was
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meeting
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a friend of a friend and they had this
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was a white family and they had
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um chinese neighbors that lived next
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door and they just casually made a
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joking comment that their
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neighbors have dogs for dinner every
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night and it wasn't until
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one of my friends said for me that i was
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vietnamese that they apologize for what
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they said because i was just
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at such a loss for words at how it just
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revealed how
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people can really say insidious harmful
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things when they don't know
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who they're actually talking to um so
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this rubber may seem trivial or harmless
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like about eating dogs or about
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sexualizing women but
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it has really real physical consequences
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i think we've all seen
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um and when you other people project
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these over generalizations onto them it
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makes it also easier
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to dehumanize them and to turn them into
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an archetype
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and to see them as a foreign abstract
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idea so that when they do face this
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violence racism and discrimination
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it's easy to turn a blind eye or to say
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well
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i don't get it i thought all asians do
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well and all asians are successful so i
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feel like these
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stereotypes kind of allow this to happen
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um also these um hate crimes including
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the most recent one where we saw the
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tragic
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killing of six asian women highlighted
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to the intersection between racial and
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gender violence and how these complex
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issues
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intersect with one another and including
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in this specific case the
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hypersexualization of asian women by
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white men
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and while these the recent spotlight on
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this issue might make them seem novel or
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shocking
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anti-asian violence kind of like tiffany
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was saying um it goes really far back
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and it's not as recent as just a few
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weeks ago or this past week with the
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shooting
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and just a few of many examples of that
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that i've myself been able to educate
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myself on
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in the last month were the chinese
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massacre of 1871 in la which is actually
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described by multiple sources
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as the largest last mention lynching in
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american history despite the fact that
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i hadn't even heard of this event until
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five weeks ago
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let alone knowing it was the largest
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mass lynching right here in l.a
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um also the chinese exclusion act and
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japanese internment which are
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the two examples that i hear kind of get
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cited is when there are two of very many
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the rock springs massacre tacoma riot
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sexual instance and of asian women and
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girls which is not historical continues
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to happen
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hell's canyon massacre of 1887 and court
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cases with
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institutional racism including us versus
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wong kim ark
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lum vs rice wow versus nichols and the
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recent deportation just this past week
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of 33 vietnamese families who were
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separated
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by an administration that ran on the
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platform that they were looking out for
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the asian community and people of color
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but separated 33 families during a
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pandemic
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and many of them had been here since
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before the 1980s they weren't new they
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were american
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um so i'm going to modestly
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offer just some of my ideas for some
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steps to take forward and moving up
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and i think some of that is advocacy and
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community engagement through the forms
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of
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just critically evaluating the way that
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communities including the asian american
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community are depicted in national
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discourse and in the media
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being both issues like scapegoating and
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entire race for a pandemic
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or even just the way that asians are
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depicted in film or tv and
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kind of something that you wouldn't
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think to critically analyze i think it's
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important
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to look very critically and see what
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kind of stereotypes those
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representations perpetuate
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rather than being dynamic or complex
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characters
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i also think discussing these issues in
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various circles and communities
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consistently and ongoing with a plan of
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action rather than letting this be
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brief moment of outrage or social media
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moment is a really good way to start to
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keep the momentum going
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um i think this can also be done through
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multiple formats not necessarily just
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speeches of social media
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but also um film and music artistic
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formats poetry which we actually got to
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do in
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professor win beau's class for the
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vietnamese american experience
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and my group got to magazine about
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anti-asian hate crimes and asian
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american news
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and i think a lot of besides the fact
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that that project was shareable which i
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really appreciate and i was able to
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share it with some of my friends and
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have
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conversations outside of the classroom
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on it i think it was also important that
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it didn't
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just paint asian people as victims or
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pity asian americans
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but also uplift them in a way that
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genuinely shows the community rather
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than just pointing to them as an example
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of somebody who made it
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um i also think for students
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specifically for ucla students i would
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highly recommend taking courses in the
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asian american department and other
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ethnic studies departments especially um
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just from my experience and the cultural
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classes i've taken including the
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vietnamese american experience it just
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really gave me a sense of pride to be a
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vietnamese american and and american and
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it was
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i said the first day of that class that
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was the first time that i had more than
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one or two asian classmates or
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vietnamese classmates specifically in a
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class
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which was just a really big wake-up call
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for me so i think that's
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a really um good way to start as a
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student specifically
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and i think um also like tiffany said
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just showing solidarity with the asian
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american community but also
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with other communities color within that
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so i'm really looking forward to hearing
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everyone's insights on this topic and
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learning from you too
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thank you so much mariana and tiffany uh
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especially i'm
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grateful for all of the insights and
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kind of proactive
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information that you put out there for
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us and and i just like i said
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part of what we're doing here today is
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to listen and i think it's so important
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for all of us to listen to what our
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current students are experiencing
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and how they're navigating this current
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crisis
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we're now going to move to our featured
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speakers
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and my apologies that because of time
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limitations i'm going to give very
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cursory
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introductions to everyone but i
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encourage you to look at our event
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website for more detailed bios and the
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websites of the various speakers
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to learn more our first speaker is
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professor
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tu hong vo who is my beloved colleague
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in the department of asian languages and
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culture she also holds an appointment
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in asian american studies she is the
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author of such books as the ironies of
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freedom
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sex culture and neo-liberal governance
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in vietnam
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and khmer viet relations and the third
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indochina conflict
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and i also want to thank tu hong because
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she is
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my colleague who brought our two student
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speakers to the table i reached out to
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her
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and she very graciously recommended
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mariana and tiffany
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so tuhum would you mind taking the stage
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yeah thank you so much michael for
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organizing this event
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as you said you know the need to
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organize this event
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is something that is cause for
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consternation and lament and it is
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unfortunate that we have to come
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together to talk about this but
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i really appreciate that we have this
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space so that i can
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learn from um other uh not just
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colleagues but
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students as well like perspectives from
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the younger generation
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which i think is so important and so
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insightful so thank you so much tiffany
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and marianna for enlightening us
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in terms of what your generation is
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doing how
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you know you see the connections um you
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know between
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uh formations that lead us to this point
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um and of course you know um uh thanks
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to
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everybody who is here today um
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and i look forward to having a
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conversation later on
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i'm gonna keep my remarks um brief
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a lot of the grounds have been covered
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by tiffany
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and mariana already so um you know i'm
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gonna
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try to give as much time as possible for
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us to talk about this
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um in the you know larger uh group
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later on so i guess you know needless to
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say
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i was angry and sad and just could not
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sleep when the news came out about this
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because from the descriptions that later
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came out the descriptions of the women
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who were killed didn't come out into
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much later
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but once i read them these women sound
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like
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the many women that i know from my
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community
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who try to make a living in jobs that
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leave
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them vulnerable some of these jobs are
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the result of capitalism and how it
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extracts
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profit out of the differences that it
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amplifies between
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kinds of people whether you're asian
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or black queer or straight men or women
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or whether you know you um
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call yourself a certain thing or present
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yourself in certain way
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it can shape whether you can access
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capital or not be protected
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or not um but i wanna like i was
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i guess my anger also stemmed from the
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kind of narratives that we kept hearing
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in the media you know coming from the
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police the cherokee county police
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or the political um leaders
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that got into the conversation um i felt
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like they weren't really
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addressing um the sort of like
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fundamental or
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or um underlying issues like you know
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this long history for example of
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um constructing asians as the outsider
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and being the outsider also means that
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you can end up in a space of
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incarceration like japanese americans
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right so there's
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those two sort of like go hand in hand
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um so
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people are not really talking about that
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or we're not talking about that
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they were basically you know talking
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about uh you know this
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uh process of investigation and all that
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but i'll address it in a minute
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but i just wanna i was like so angry i
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feel like saying that
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you know make no mistake like if you are
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a white man making asian women
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into sex objects then kill them as the
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sources of your temptation
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that's racist and misogynistic yet the
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legal procedural
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narrative allows the police and the
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political leaders to defer to processes
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that try to either separate racism from
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misogyny
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and recuperate the humanity of
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the white man over that of the
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asian women that he killed so
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i was thinking that you know seeking
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legal redress through
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demands for police protection or
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legislation
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may help but it would also reproduce the
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very same structure
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that separates the good from the bad
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people within
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racialized communities and can amplify
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the familiar police brutality against
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one
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or all of these groups or communities
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um so instead i was thinking that we may
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need to
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sort of imagine together forms of
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restorative justice that address the
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inequality
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and vulnerability of folks in our
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communities in the first place
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so we need more means to protect the
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most vulnerable
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within each community and create points
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of connection
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across racialized communities making use
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of skill sets
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that have developed historically in each
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community to fight
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white supremacist narratives and
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institutions we have a long way to go to
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dismantle some of these
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racist misogynist queer transphobic
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cultural formations
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if we still hope for a better place in
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which to live
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i know that some of the forms that we
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engage in have been
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performative and
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i think the performative is useful
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a point but if the performative replaces
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00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,559
um you know whatever we can imagine that
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we do to address the more structural
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problems you know the economic
734
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inequality
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you know all of the the racist um
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institutions and
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you know this long history um that is at
738
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the heart of this
739
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,440
um core sickness of america um you know
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as some
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someone had uh phrased it racism in this
742
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,320
way um so yeah this is
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performative is useful but it should not
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replace
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how we might imagine addressing some of
746
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these structural issues
747
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and i know that the talk today um you
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know it's organized by
749
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the center for chinese studies and i
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thank you for that
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um would sort of like also um highlights
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um the role or the discourse surrounding
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the rise of china
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right there's work to be done not only
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00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,120
in relation to
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the racist rhetoric from white
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supremacist quarters in this country
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but also from within asian communities
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as well
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like in the past year i saw a kind of
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heightening of a realignment of groups
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transnationally like the new sources and
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platforms supported by the
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falun gong um group for example um
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they have become like these um
766
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uh foci of the dissemination of news
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across uh asian communities here in this
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country but also
769
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in asia as well particularly like you
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know what i am familiar with is in
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vietnam which um created a kind of
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realignment
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of politics where the critique of
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authoritarian
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in china which might be very legitimate
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all of a sudden becomes
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a kind of you know aligned with white
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supremacy
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um in the u.s which makes the work
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within communities difficult in terms of
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you know coordinating or disseminating
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ways of um analyzing or ways of seeing
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where we would fit um in this country
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and you know this has to do with this
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um realignment of competing nationalism
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right and geopolitics um
787
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in the region in asia so while we're
788
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talking about
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you know this um this sickness that is
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racism in america we also need to pay
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attention to
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how it connects to a very long history
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that was
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um global and
795
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you know transnational in these ways as
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well um particularly at this
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this contemporary moment where we sort
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of like see
799
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um this process playing out in the
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pacific and
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00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,399
um in the united states um in these
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connecting ways
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and i am just so heartened um that um
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you know we are able to come together um
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today and i look forward to
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listening to the rest of the panelists
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but also
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to the participants today as well i know
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that you have
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a lot more perspectives to offer um so
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i thank you for that thank you to hong i
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appreciate your words
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our next speaker is professor claire
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jean kim from uc
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00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000
irvine where she is a professor of
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america asian american studies and
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political science
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she is also the author of bitter fruit
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the politics of black korean conflict in
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new york city
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and dangerous crossings race species and
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nature in a multicultural age
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both of which have been awarded numerous
824
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book awards professor kim
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okay thank you so much uh professor
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barry for organizing this event and
827
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giving us
828
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all a chance to come together and think
829
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together about recent events um
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professor nuenvo i just wanted to thank
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you for your points about capitalism
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um reinforcing carceral logics and
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restorative justice i hope we can come
834
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back and talk more about those because i
835
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think those are incredibly
836
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important points and an important part
837
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of the story
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so asian american communities are
839
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frightened angry and distressed and
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there has never been a more important
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time for us to try to understand
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anti-asian violence and we can do this
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by talking and learning from each other
844
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and putting trying to put the pieces
845
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together
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so what is causing harassment and
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violence against asian americans and
848
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what will it take to stop it
849
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i'm finishing a book right now that i
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spent many years researching
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entitled asian americans in an
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anti-black world
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and i want to bring this research to
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bear in addressing these questions
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asian americans have always been seen as
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not white as not
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american and perpetually foreign this
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has remained true
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even as many asian americans assimilate
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into white society and attain
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economic educational and occupational
862
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,279
mobility
863
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:37,440
when a crisis occurs especially one that
864
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,960
involves an asian nation
865
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,360
so this could involve economic
866
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,399
contraction a trade war a war or a
867
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,799
pandemic
868
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:46,880
a wave of exclusionary actions arises
869
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,480
and we asian americans are reminded that
870
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,120
we were only ever
871
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,440
conditional citizens so the aggression
872
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,520
and distrust against asian americans are
873
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,520
below the surface there
874
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,600
waiting to be triggered by external
875
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,600
events although thankfully this has
876
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,159
happened less frequently since the world
877
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,520
war ii
878
00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:08,240
era the insurrection at the capitol
879
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,159
on january 6 reminds us that in the u.s
880
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,399
white nationalism is not a thing of the
881
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:14,320
past or a fringe phenomenon
882
00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:16,960
but white nationalism or the elevation
883
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,960
of whiteness is only part of the picture
884
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,440
there is also anti-blackness the
885
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,320
systemic abjection of black people since
886
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,399
slavery
887
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,080
as exemplified by the murder of george
888
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:27,600
floyd last may
889
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,760
the black lives matter movement has
890
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,679
spoken about the specificity
891
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,880
of the status of black people for almost
892
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,480
a decade now
893
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,159
and i think it's critically important
894
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,480
that we think about
895
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:40,320
what anti-asian violence means in the
896
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,120
age of black lives matter
897
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,039
that is in the context of the anti-black
898
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:48,320
violence that has been continuous
899
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:50,320
and unremitting indeed structural and
900
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,960
incomparably severe for hundreds of
901
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,960
years
902
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,600
by this i do not mean how do we
903
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,039
analogize or compare or describe as
904
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,240
parallel what's happening with asian
905
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,000
americans rather
906
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,240
how do we think what is happening with
907
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,640
asian americans in relation to
908
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,320
what happens with black people and this
909
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,080
requires that we think about the
910
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,840
positioning of different groups how
911
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,960
asian americans have always been not
912
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,279
white but also
913
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,039
not black as they argue in my book and
914
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:17,120
how not blackness has been
915
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,120
a structural advantage that has
916
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,240
permitted a kind of mobility to some
917
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,960
asian americans
918
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,960
that is denied to many black people so i
919
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,640
want to note i am not talking about a
920
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,679
discursive story or
921
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,679
myth being told about a model minority
922
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:34,320
i am talking about differential
923
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:35,919
structural treatment
924
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,159
black feminists have been telling us for
925
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:40,399
generations when black people are free
926
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:42,720
all people will be free it is only when
927
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,440
those held at the bottom of society are
928
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,000
free
929
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,760
that all can be said to be liberated
930
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,320
this message has never been more
931
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,240
relevant
932
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,159
because it's not necessarily true that
933
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,480
when asian americans are free
934
00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:55,760
all people will be free so this is the
935
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,159
choice i think we face
936
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,679
at this historic moment at this turning
937
00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:01,519
point in u.s history
938
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:03,519
where we are in the aftermath of the
939
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,240
largest black-led racial justice
940
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,960
movement
941
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,039
this nation has ever seen as a group
942
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,679
advantaged by not blackness even as we
943
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,679
are disadvantaged by not whiteness
944
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:15,600
we can seek protection for ourselves
945
00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:17,519
alone as asian americans within an
946
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,519
anti-black system
947
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:20,960
or we can seek protection for everyone
948
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:23,440
including the worst off
949
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,799
by pursuing a structural transformation
950
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,039
of society
951
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:29,039
we can focus on the hate that rises up
952
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:30,640
against asian americans alone
953
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,159
or we can relate it to the hate that
954
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,120
targets black people
955
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:36,880
relentlessly and brutally not just on
956
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,360
the street and in public places but in
957
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,039
the cloistered space of the icu
958
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,640
where black people are dying from coven
959
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,039
19 at
960
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,440
staggering rates so we have as asian
961
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:50,240
americans i think a historic role
962
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,000
to play and an opportunity to play it
963
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,919
after the murder of george floyd i gave
964
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,760
a lot of talks and interviews and asian
965
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:57,519
americans would come up to me
966
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,519
uh well they weren't physical talk so
967
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:02,080
they would approach me by zoom
968
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:04,000
and say ask me how can we be good allies
969
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,480
to black lives matter
970
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,279
so my answer is that it's now at moments
971
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,480
like this
972
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:12,559
when we feel pain from our own losses
973
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,320
now is the most important time to try to
974
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:17,360
be good allies
975
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,159
so my questions are can we keep black
976
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,320
pain
977
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:21,200
centered in our vision as black lives
978
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,159
matter
979
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,080
asks us to do can we locate ourselves in
980
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:27,600
relation to anti-blackness and the black
981
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,760
freedom struggle
982
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,000
can we resist the temptation to circle
983
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,960
the wagons and take up the banner
984
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,760
of asian nationalisms and instead face
985
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,919
outward
986
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,360
with open minds and hearts can we change
987
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:43,440
the slogan from
988
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:48,080
stop asian hate to transform this racist
989
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,080
anti-black society thank you
990
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:56,640
thank you professor kim our next speaker
991
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:58,960
is kaiser guo and kaiser is the host and
992
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,720
co-founder of the seineca podcast which
993
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,159
is the most popular english language
994
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,799
podcast on current
995
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:06,640
affairs dealing with china in a
996
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,320
alternate life he was the
997
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,919
communications uh international
998
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,839
communications director for baidu
999
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:14,240
a chinese internet company and yet
1000
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:15,359
another previous life he was a heavy
1001
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,760
metal guitar player
1002
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:18,560
in tong dynasty and spring and autumn
1003
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,200
two popular
1004
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,280
rock bands in china and i invited kaiser
1005
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,839
because a few days ago on clubhouse he
1006
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,399
hosted
1007
00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:27,119
a room about this topic and had some
1008
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:29,440
really
1009
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:31,280
wonderful insights and i was hoping he
1010
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,679
might share some of those with us today
1011
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,000
kaiser thank you so much michael for uh
1012
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,440
i am unmuted yes uh for organizing this
1013
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,200
excellent event i want to talk about a
1014
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,480
dimension to these vicious hate crimes
1015
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,320
in atlanta and to the
1016
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,599
whole year-long surge in anti-asian
1017
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,599
violence that i think
1018
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,639
gets lost too often in the pain
1019
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:48,240
conversation
1020
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,919
and that is the international dimension
1021
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,839
to this this didn't
1022
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:53,440
happen only because of the ugly name
1023
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:54,240
calling by trump though that undoubtedly
1024
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,720
had a very big
1025
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:58,720
part of it it's not just another
1026
00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:02,640
unspeakably awful year in
1027
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:04,480
a long grim history of awful years
1028
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,200
of violence against asian americans this
1029
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,240
is different it has obvious parallels to
1030
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,480
you know the cruel
1031
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:12,160
and unjust internment of japanese
1032
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,200
americans after pearl harbor
1033
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,760
uh but we are not at war with
1034
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,480
china it has parallels to the murder of
1035
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,560
instant chin
1036
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,920
but the anti-japanese animus of the
1037
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,839
1980s
1038
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,000
pales as horrible as it was by
1039
00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:29,119
comparison to what we're seeing now
1040
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,880
with china china's rapid rise has been
1041
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,560
perceived by a substantial portion of
1042
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,440
the american population
1043
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,240
as a threat the u.s has in china really
1044
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,160
the first
1045
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,359
multi-dimensional peer competitor that
1046
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040
it's had since
1047
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:43,520
american hegemony was established at the
1048
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,440
end of the second world war
1049
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,560
many americans have responded to china's
1050
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,720
rise to its
1051
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,000
sudden sort of surge into our
1052
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,720
consciousness
1053
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,599
very disorienting uh in much the same
1054
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,079
way i think
1055
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,440
as many white americans responded to the
1056
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:01,040
blm protests or
1057
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:04,240
before that to the civil rights movement
1058
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:07,680
have responded in a a way that is
1059
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:10,000
uh rooted in fear that uh
1060
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,359
it's rooted in a fear of loss of primacy
1061
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,480
of privilege
1062
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:17,599
uh both responses uh
1063
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,880
i think involve a fear that many
1064
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,680
americans don't even know that they have
1065
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,920
but it's one
1066
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,040
that certain demagogue political leaders
1067
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,160
have been able to channel very
1068
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,040
effectively
1069
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,880
uh and to amplify and to harness uh just
1070
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,200
as trump's presidency
1071
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,160
and the white ethnonationalism that it
1072
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,000
empowered
1073
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,839
uh represented a kind of irrational
1074
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,880
still representing an irrational
1075
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:39,280
responsible
1076
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,680
loss of white privilege in an
1077
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,800
increasingly diverse and multi-cultural
1078
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,280
united states
1079
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,200
so too does trump's foreign policy
1080
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,320
especially his policy toward china
1081
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,400
represent an irrational response to
1082
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,400
a similar loss of american privilege in
1083
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,520
an increasingly multi-polar
1084
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,920
world and this is especially true of
1085
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,880
course
1086
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,160
with regard to china zoom out i think
1087
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,480
from the national
1088
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,880
to the global and the twilight of white
1089
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,720
privilege in america looks a lot like
1090
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,880
the twilight of american hegemony in the
1091
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,320
world the armed white nationalists who
1092
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,800
have grown more vocal
1093
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,920
and visible in the years since ferguson
1094
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,880
find i think
1095
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,599
their analogy in the china hawks who are
1096
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:25,839
urging us now into a new cold war
1097
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:29,599
with with with china white fragility
1098
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:31,599
is american fragility in microcosm
1099
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:33,680
the more that our political leaders our
1100
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,720
media elites our public intellectuals
1101
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,480
and educators
1102
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,480
buy into the idea that the chinese are
1103
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,839
our enemy if not now then surely you
1104
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,960
know an enemy in the making
1105
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:42,079
the more violence against our
1106
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,160
communities we're going to continue to
1107
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,079
see seeing people in the media
1108
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,680
and in public life who have fanned the
1109
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,119
flames of cynophobia
1110
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,119
by enabling the authors of this
1111
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:53,760
radicalized discourse of great power
1112
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,480
competition spreading the poison as they
1113
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,280
have in
1114
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,520
chinese as vectors of disease the
1115
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,440
chinese state is ultimately culpable
1116
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,839
for the the tragic losses during the
1117
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,480
pandemic every chinese person wearing a
1118
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:06,800
lab coat
1119
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,320
is obviously a spy anyone working in an
1120
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,760
engineering department is committing
1121
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:13,599
industrial espionage um every chinese
1122
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,480
language instructor is an agent of
1123
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:16,960
influence
1124
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,880
seeing these people now acting like
1125
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,000
they're horrified and shocked by this
1126
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,520
rising hate crime
1127
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,760
culminating in these cold-blooded
1128
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,960
murders by this repellent piece of
1129
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,599
excrement
1130
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,400
i am genuinely disgusted and i have to
1131
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,400
ask them
1132
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,520
what the hell did you think was going to
1133
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,880
happen
1134
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,240
uh it is not the chinese people
1135
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,400
for that you know of course they're
1136
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,200
going to say it's the chinese communist
1137
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,359
party that
1138
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,119
they don't like it's not these other
1139
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:45,280
chinese southeast asian people that are
1140
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:47,280
it's the chinese communist party now i
1141
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,760
hope by now you have realized that i
1142
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,920
hate the
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00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,960
chinese communist party but i love the
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00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,000
chinese people
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00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,040
is a fig leaf it's a mere fig leaf so i
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00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,480
think
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00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,880
especially for the people who chant it
1148
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,880
as a mantra there might be some who say
1149
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,280
it in good faith just as there might be
1150
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,640
some who say oh i have lots of black
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00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,720
friends in good faith
1152
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,920
but we know what's up i mean we're not
1153
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,359
we're not stupid
1154
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,960
the more they repeat it the more we know
1155
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:13,440
it really lies behind it
1156
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,960
people who tell me and others who have
1157
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,680
drawn attention to this
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00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,119
uh to the international mention uh to
1159
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,599
tell us that we mustn't
1160
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:23,280
point to linkage between cynophobia and
1161
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:23,839
hate crime against asian americans
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00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,359
because
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00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:27,760
that's a talking point to the chinese
1164
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:28,880
communist party uh and that you know by
1165
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,800
pointing out this
1166
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,320
what to me is an obvious truth i'm
1167
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,079
actually carrying water
1168
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,480
for the chinese communist party those
1169
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,920
people are demonstrating exactly the
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00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,720
kind of cyanophobia
1171
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,119
that i am talking about because to see
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00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,880
the us as locked in a zero-sum contest
1173
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:46,880
with an enemy that's so menacing
1174
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,160
a threat that's so existential that it
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00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,480
takes precedence over
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everything in america our values the
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00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,160
welfare of my community
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00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:56,000
the over the deep-rooted racist
1179
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,800
pathologies of this country
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00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,040
over the truth well that is the very
1181
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,359
definition of cynophobia
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00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,160
does this mean that any full-throated
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00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:06,240
criticism
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00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,319
of china is simply unacceptable
1185
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,280
absolutely not criticized away on any
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00:40:08,319 --> 00:40:12,000
number of issues
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00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,160
god knows that beijing richly deserves
1188
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,160
it in many cases but i would submit
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that none of the crimes that have been
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00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,480
committed against asian americans
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00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,280
were done out of anger at the treatment
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00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,920
of uyghurs
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00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,640
in concentration camps in xinjiang none
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00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,800
of them
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00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,079
were i mean nobody is being killed or or
1196
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920
beaten or insulted
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00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:32,400
because in the name of hong kong
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democracy or in the name of of taiwan's
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00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,440
security
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00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,040
no this is happening because people in
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00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,680
this country have stoked
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00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,000
the fires of cynophobia these are often
1203
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,480
people who really opt to know better
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00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,359
who know this country's history and what
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00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,040
people do
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00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:48,880
when their resentments and their fears
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00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,720
are directed at the other
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00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,000
they are complicit and they should
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00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:54,400
squarely face the
1210
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000
consequences of their complicity in this
1211
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,440
this is happening because elites in this
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00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,000
country have failed
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00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,160
to light uh to really to fight the
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00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,480
dangerous slide that's led to so
1215
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,240
many people seeing this relationship now
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00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,119
through the singular lens of national
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00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,400
security
1218
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,240
this is happening because too many
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00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,640
americans have unthinkingly
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00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,680
accepted a view of china as some kind of
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00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,200
existential
1222
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,359
threat this is happening because of the
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00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,599
neo-mccarthyism
1224
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:20,480
of the china initiative launched by the
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00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:23,599
doj
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00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,440
in 2018 and which this summer uh who
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00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,040
was seeing a case open against a person
1228
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,880
of chinese descent every
1229
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,880
10 hours this is happening because
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00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,400
of the spread of conspiracy theories
1231
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,440
about the pandemic's origins
1232
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,720
that are by design easily conflated with
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00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,440
even darker theory or
1234
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,000
theories that impute intentionality to
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00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,800
china
1236
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000
or are easily conflated with bioweapons
1237
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,119
theories
1238
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,960
i think that uh we need to to
1239
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:52,720
understand that cynophobia lies the part
1240
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,440
of it but this gives me hope because
1241
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,079
this means that if we change our
1242
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,040
attitude
1243
00:41:56,079 --> 00:42:00,240
all we need uh we a lot can change we
1244
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,760
can we can do a lot
1245
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:06,000
to to pull the fuel out from the fire
1246
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,880
of cyanophobia that is fat that is
1247
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,319
creating
1248
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:14,960
this this massive horrifying uptick
1249
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:14,960
in anti-asian violence thanks very much
1250
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:18,560
thank you kaiser for sharing your
1251
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:23,359
powerful words
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00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:25,599
uh next speaker is alex wong
1253
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:27,359
alex is a professor at the ucla school
1254
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,800
of law he is a leading expert on
1255
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:31,040
environmental law
1256
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,720
and the law and politics in china he's
1257
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,319
worked on issues such as air pollution
1258
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:37,760
climate change and other
1259
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:39,599
environmental issues alex great thanks
1260
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,720
so much michael uh thanks for organizing
1261
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,960
this event and thanks
1262
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,000
to all of you for coming together
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00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,520
tonight i've really
1264
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,839
enjoyed the comments from all the
1265
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,280
speakers and also to see the comments
1266
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:51,680
from uh the audience
1267
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,960
um uh i've found many of them very
1268
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,680
moving and um
1269
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,800
and important uh fundamentally i i want
1270
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,119
to emphasize the
1271
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,800
the overarching message that we're
1272
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,800
talking about tonight which is
1273
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,720
the right of people of asian descent in
1274
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,160
america to be recognized
1275
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:10,880
not as them but as us right not as
1276
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,960
them but as us uh the vice president
1277
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,880
earlier used that formulation
1278
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,280
i thought it was a powerful formulation
1279
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,880
and i wanted to to raise it here
1280
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,960
uh i teach about chinese law and
1281
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,400
politics at the law school here at ucla
1282
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,599
and i wanted to
1283
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,440
follow up on the the angle that kaiser
1284
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,800
was taking but from a slightly different
1285
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,119
dynamic
1286
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,280
to highlight the way that an aspect of
1287
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:34,319
us domestic political debates about
1288
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,319
china have
1289
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:37,599
contributed to this framing of all
1290
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:40,400
asians as
1291
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,599
them rather than us and contributed to
1292
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,480
anti-asian
1293
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:45,599
violence so uh donald trump's insistence
1294
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,839
on using terms like
1295
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,880
kung flu and china virus and wuhan flu
1296
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:50,480
is well known and
1297
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,920
the use of that language and other
1298
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,640
racist language
1299
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,319
has caused an uh surge in anti-asian
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00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,839
violence and harassment right we know
1301
00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:00,319
the statistics we saw
1302
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:03,599
hate crimes in major cities going up by
1303
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:06,480
150 percent last year stop aapi
1304
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:08,160
uh hate recorded 3 800 anti-asian
1305
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,359
incidents of harassment in the last
1306
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:14,000
year and it's worth noting how
1307
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:16,400
uh this sort of incendiary language and
1308
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,280
also the political attacks on anyone who
1309
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,760
would criticize
1310
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,079
the use of that language is the express
1311
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,400
is an express part of a particular
1312
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,839
republican political playbook on china
1313
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,119
and the kovid
1314
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:31,520
crisis i wanted to remind us of
1315
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,400
a republican political strategy memo
1316
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,000
that was leaked
1317
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,720
last april in 2020 a so-called
1318
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,839
corona big book was it was a compendium
1319
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:42,800
of political
1320
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:44,319
talking points on kovid and it had a few
1321
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:48,079
notable features worth
1322
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:50,079
reminding ourselves of one it
1323
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:52,160
recommended as a response to questions
1324
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:54,079
to to politicians of whether
1325
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,359
covet and covet shutdowns were trump's
1326
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:58,960
fault the memo said
1327
00:44:55,359 --> 00:45:00,560
quote don't defend trump attack china
1328
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,400
and other key recommendations of the
1329
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,119
memos memo
1330
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,440
were to blame democrats for being soft
1331
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:08,480
on china and to deem as political
1332
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,720
correctness
1333
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,000
any criticisms of the use of terms like
1334
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:15,200
china virus or wu
1335
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,280
wuhan flew um and and to
1336
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,040
essentially legitimate uh those
1337
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,200
criticisms as political
1338
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,640
correctness and so at best it seemed
1339
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:26,240
like the strategy
1340
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:28,000
saw anti-asian harassment and violence
1341
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:30,160
that was sure to come as collateral
1342
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,480
damage in the effort to use china
1343
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,560
for political advantage at worst
1344
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,800
anti-asian harassment and violent
1345
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,920
violence were actually an express part
1346
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,480
of the strategy
1347
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,560
uh the strategy which would go as sort
1348
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,359
of political dog whistles and overtly
1349
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,000
racist language would trigger anti-asian
1350
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:48,560
harassment
1351
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,359
and violence this in turn would trigger
1352
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,040
people to
1353
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:52,720
push back against the use of that
1354
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,640
language uh and
1355
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,760
and other racist statements and this
1356
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,040
would allow then
1357
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,040
uh the politicians to to call the debt
1358
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,440
the democrats politically correct
1359
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,400
soft on china or to invoke cancel
1360
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,000
culture to
1361
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:11,119
the legitimate criticisms and in fact
1362
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,920
i was watching um yesterday's house
1363
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:16,160
judiciary committee hearing on
1364
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,960
anti-asian violence yesterday in
1365
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,680
in the wake of the atlanta shootings and
1366
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,760
one of the
1367
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,119
uh opening statements from congressman
1368
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,599
chip roy
1369
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:27,119
uh seemed to actually be explicitly
1370
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:28,079
implementing the strategy i just
1371
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:30,319
mentioned he
1372
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:32,079
in the midst of a hearing that was meant
1373
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:35,280
to uh talk about
1374
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:36,960
anti-asian violence he uh suggested that
1375
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,440
hearings of that sort
1376
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,880
were in fact a threat to his free speech
1377
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,960
and his ability to call
1378
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,079
china the quote unquote bad guy or deem
1379
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,000
them the enemy
1380
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:48,160
and in other words he was implying that
1381
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,720
democrats were being politically correct
1382
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,079
and stopped on uh china but of course
1383
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:54,400
it's important to separate the
1384
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:56,000
the political issue as a foreign affairs
1385
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,520
matter as an international matter
1386
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,200
of china and the communist party from
1387
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,960
the issue of inclusion of people of
1388
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,280
asian descent on u.s
1389
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,400
soil we know well the tendency toward
1390
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,000
xenophobia
1391
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,760
against asians during times of
1392
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,520
international conflict
1393
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,680
we've seen it against japanese americans
1394
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:17,200
chinese americans and other americans
1395
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:19,440
of asian asian descent and the risk is
1396
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,119
growing now as tensions with china
1397
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,280
increase as a few of our speakers have
1398
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:25,760
already mentioned and
1399
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,920
i believe it's possible to deal with
1400
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,200
these foreign affairs matters to protect
1401
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,880
international human rights
1402
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,920
to deal with trade conflicts and the
1403
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,960
like without stoking racist harassment
1404
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,720
or violence on u.s soil americans need
1405
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,400
to be better about this and they need to
1406
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,119
find a way to confidently deal with
1407
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,599
these
1408
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,880
uh real international conflicts without
1409
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:48,240
harming our own
1410
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,119
uh people and this american
1411
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,760
uh racist harassment has actually begun
1412
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:54,720
to play
1413
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,880
into these international debates to the
1414
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:58,960
extent that there's criticisms of china
1415
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,000
the chinese state media has already been
1416
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,359
using the atlanta shootings and
1417
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,200
anti-asian hate in america as part of
1418
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:06,000
its propaganda yesterday the global
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00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,720
times
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00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,920
a chinese state media organ and an
1421
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,839
article
1422
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,599
highlighting trump's criticism of china
1423
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:14,559
and citing it as a source of rising
1424
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,800
anti-asian
1425
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:18,319
harassment suggesting it was evidence of
1426
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,680
american decline
1427
00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:25,040
and a reason that americans american
1428
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,920
legitimacy was uh declining
1429
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,760
so just to conclude i i just want to
1430
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,760
emphasize again this theme
1431
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,599
that what we're talking about today is
1432
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,480
the right of americans or people of
1433
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,720
asian descent
1434
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,559
in america to have the right to be
1435
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:41,040
recognized not as them
1436
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,160
but as us you know i don't i don't have
1437
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,480
an easy
1438
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,400
uh uplifting idea for how to solve this
1439
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,480
but that concept
1440
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,839
uh is the theme that draws together a
1441
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,240
lot of the concepts that
1442
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:53,599
uh many people don't buy into that very
1443
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,240
basic idea
1444
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,400
and uh i i'm glad that we're having this
1445
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:01,280
conversation and thinking of ways to
1446
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,000
uh push uh this country more towards
1447
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,119
this idea
1448
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:09,520
of asian communities being
1449
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:12,400
part of us and not them thank you
1450
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,559
thank you so much alex we are going to
1451
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,200
remain in the world of the ucla
1452
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:18,880
la law school for a moment and introduce
1453
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,200
professor karenwa
1454
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,640
who is executive director of the epstein
1455
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,680
program and professor
1456
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:28,160
from practice at the ucla law school
1457
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,920
prior to joining ucla professor wong
1458
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,079
advocated for civil rights and immigrant
1459
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,839
rights for more than 20 years
1460
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:35,760
she is the longtime vice president of
1461
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:38,319
programs and communications at asian
1462
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,880
americans advancing justice los angeles
1463
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:43,680
and former director of advancing justice
1464
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,920
la immigrants rights project
1465
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,599
she is the deputy regional manager or
1466
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,040
was the deputy regional manager for the
1467
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,160
civil rights office of the u.s
1468
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,240
department of health
1469
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,319
and human services launching its los
1470
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:55,920
angeles office
1471
00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:58,240
and enforcing federal civil rights
1472
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,160
across the southwestern u.s so i'm sure
1473
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:02,240
professor wong has a lot to share with
1474
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,240
us
1475
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,280
thank you so much michael for having me
1476
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,200
tonight and thank you to the center for
1477
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,440
chinese studies for organizing this it's
1478
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,640
an honor to share space with
1479
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,480
the other thoughtful speakers um
1480
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,880
but one of the challenges of going
1481
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,200
towards the end of the long list is you
1482
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,319
um i i'm probably going to say ditto
1483
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,040
reference what a lot of
1484
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:26,400
prior folks said but hopefully my
1485
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,240
comments um
1486
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,599
serve to will serve to reinforce i think
1487
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:31,440
some of the key points that have already
1488
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:33,200
been raised
1489
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,119
so i wanted to start by saying the
1490
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,880
atlanta shootings were really
1491
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:39,280
they were just a gut punch for me this
1492
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,040
week um and this was a gut punch
1493
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,480
that finally really knocked me out i've
1494
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,599
been really emotional this week in a way
1495
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,160
i didn't expect
1496
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:47,680
um and this is after going almost numb
1497
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,440
from months and months of just you know
1498
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,280
these endless reports of harassment and
1499
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,960
violence showing up in my social media
1500
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,680
feed and seeing it in the news every
1501
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,839
time i
1502
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,720
click on the l.a times or just any
1503
00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:58,480
publication
1504
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,920
um this violence directed at asians and
1505
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,040
asian americans and
1506
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,040
you know part of the reason it's so
1507
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,800
emotional for me was is that it was
1508
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,400
another brutal racially motivated
1509
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,760
killing of an asian american
1510
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,200
chancellor block actually mentioned
1511
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,880
already at the very beginning vincent
1512
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,880
chin in 1982
1513
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,720
it was that specific case that's for me
1514
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,680
to go to law school as a young college
1515
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,319
student
1516
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,920
in that case that young man's death is
1517
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:22,240
why i spent more than 20 years working
1518
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,160
in civil rights advocacy and enforcement
1519
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,599
including some of my work dealt with
1520
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,480
hate crimes cases and
1521
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:29,839
other forms of anti-asian harassment and
1522
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,400
it's actually nice to see
1523
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:33,680
one of my former colleagues yunji here
1524
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,319
who's speaking later
1525
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,040
from advancing justice i guess in terms
1526
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:38,640
of what i
1527
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,640
had thought to say tonight i have a lot
1528
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,160
of thoughts and emotions um but i tried
1529
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,839
to group some of the things that i've
1530
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,359
been feeling into two kind of groups of
1531
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:47,119
thoughts that are related
1532
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:48,960
um that i've really kind of risen to the
1533
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:51,599
forefront um
1534
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,599
so first and i think professor nuenvo
1535
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:56,640
actually talked about some of
1536
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:58,559
my first point um it's really about
1537
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,480
you know particularly with atlanta um
1538
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:03,920
the fact that our legal system is
1539
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,040
unable um or um just flat out refuses to
1540
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,839
understand
1541
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,240
uh violence when it is intersectional um
1542
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:10,240
so
1543
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:12,160
as somebody who worked uh for a long
1544
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,440
time kind of tracking hate crimes data
1545
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,160
this is actually what i did as a law
1546
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,319
clerk
1547
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,920
um and early in my career was looking at
1548
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:19,680
hate crimes
1549
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,839
against asian americans the notable hate
1550
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,520
crimes cases that have been championed
1551
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:25,520
by the asian american community
1552
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,359
have centered male victims uh where
1553
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,920
gender and sexual orientation have not
1554
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:29,839
been
1555
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,839
you know quote unquote complicating
1556
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:33,359
factors and so you know the more notable
1557
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:34,240
ones like vincent chin that we already
1558
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:35,440
mentioned
1559
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:37,440
if you don't know he was a chinese
1560
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,960
american beaten to death
1561
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,559
during the rise of the japanese auto
1562
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,359
industry being to death in detroit which
1563
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:44,880
is obviously relevant in 1982
1564
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:46,880
but a couple of other ones that i think
1565
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:49,040
are also known for folks who have
1566
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,040
followed asian american hate crimes
1567
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,800
joseph aletto who was killed here in our
1568
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,200
own backyard in san fernando valley
1569
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,280
filipino-american postal worker
1570
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,440
shot while he was delivering mail this
1571
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,920
is 1999.
1572
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,800
and balbir singh was a sikh indian
1573
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,800
american
1574
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,119
man who was murdered i think a few days
1575
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,800
after 9 11 one of the first
1576
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:11,599
but one of many many victims after 9 11
1577
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,480
started
1578
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,839
sort of an anti-terrorism kind of hate
1579
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,200
campaign against
1580
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:19,280
people who were perceived as being
1581
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,720
so-called terrorists and so if you look
1582
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,160
at all these cases there are very few
1583
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,000
women victims who show up and hate
1584
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,280
crimes data and narratives
1585
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,720
even those collected by the asian
1586
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,559
american community over the past few
1587
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:31,040
decades because invariably
1588
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:32,559
women victims are also sexually harassed
1589
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,440
or assaulted it's very
1590
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:36,559
hard to untangle those two and those
1591
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,040
cases
1592
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:40,240
unfortunately often get treated um as
1593
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,440
sexual assaults
1594
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:45,200
rapes as sex crimes but not as as
1595
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,480
racially driven crimes and so there i
1596
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,319
remember when i spent like a year
1597
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,359
researching this in law school
1598
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:52,240
um even serial rapists who only attack
1599
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:54,960
asian women
1600
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,359
um sex crimes motivated by race would
1601
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,920
would
1602
00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:59,200
fail to be categorized as any sort of
1603
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,240
racially motivated
1604
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,680
act or crime um so two things
1605
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:06,000
that i think are interesting about this
1606
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,839
past week um that i think give us a
1607
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,800
chance to think about how we challenge
1608
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:11,520
this framing
1609
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,119
as asian americans actually uh is that
1610
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,440
what is the atlanta shooting in tuesday
1611
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,359
i think
1612
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,800
some other speakers have addressed this
1613
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:18,480
but basically law enforcement and
1614
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,000
mainstream media
1615
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,599
you know has reacted so far in fairly
1616
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,000
predictable ways um
1617
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:25,920
it's their prime example actually the
1618
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,200
coverage and the responses this week of
1619
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,720
the failure to understand
1620
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,319
violence when it's at the intersection
1621
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:32,400
of something like race and gender so you
1622
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:34,240
have eight people deliberately killed
1623
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,160
uh in a series of shootings six of whom
1624
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:38,079
are asian women um they were also all
1625
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:41,040
killed at asian owned or operated
1626
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:42,960
businesses atlanta has a proportionately
1627
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,160
higher percentage of asians than
1628
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,640
the rest of the south i think it's
1629
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,480
around 12 percent in metro atlanta
1630
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,400
but that kind of outcome where six out
1631
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,079
of eight victims are asian that has to
1632
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,839
be deliberate that's by choice of the
1633
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:56,880
shooter so you can't say race
1634
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:58,640
is not a factor here in some way yet law
1635
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,640
enforcement has pivoted really quickly
1636
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,480
to the sex aspect of the shootings and
1637
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,119
appears to be completely discarding race
1638
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,119
i actually
1639
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:06,880
shortly before tonight heard that the
1640
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:08,720
fbi is now saying
1641
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,960
that that they don't think race was a
1642
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:13,200
factor this is despite
1643
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,960
um i think several speakers including i
1644
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,720
think mariana at the beginning reference
1645
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,200
the long-standing sexual
1646
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:20,559
uh fetishization of asian women in both
1647
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,440
white american history and its
1648
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,599
imagination
1649
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:25,520
so you know that's completely you know
1650
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:26,319
disregarding the racial aspect of what
1651
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,400
happened in atlanta
1652
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:30,559
completely disregards this long and
1653
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,880
complicated history that our country has
1654
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:34,960
with asia and asian women
1655
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,640
and the second thing i wanted to mention
1656
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,119
references the data that the
1657
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,880
other professor huang alex i mentioned
1658
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:42,160
earlier which is that the group um stop
1659
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,559
aapi hate
1660
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,640
just hours before the atlanta shooting
1661
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:48,000
earlier on tuesday actually released its
1662
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,599
latest data so what they
1663
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,359
showed and this is a group that was
1664
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:53,599
formed um to track
1665
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:54,960
specifically the rise in cobit related
1666
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,640
anti-asian attacks
1667
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,400
so they've only been tracking for the
1668
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,839
past 12 months and what they showed for
1669
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,480
the past 12 months
1670
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:04,240
was not only that close to 4 000 cases
1671
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,079
have been reported and again these were
1672
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:08,559
self-reports just to this one
1673
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:10,559
organization that was collecting um but
1674
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:12,960
what really stood out to me besides that
1675
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:15,359
shocking number was that close to 70
1676
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,079
i think the number 68 of the cases were
1677
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:18,559
reported by
1678
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,359
women um i think less than 30 percent it
1679
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:22,000
was 29
1680
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:22,559
reported by men and that means women
1681
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,599
were
1682
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:27,680
reported 2.3 times more cases than men
1683
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:29,440
um in these harassment incidents that
1684
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,480
were happening over the past year so
1685
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,240
it's not happening
1686
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,240
equally as or at least it's not being
1687
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,599
reported equally in terms of
1688
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,119
what's been happening in terms of the
1689
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,400
rise in anti-asian violence and
1690
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:41,520
harassment
1691
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:43,760
so my second point um is uh
1692
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,119
it's really about um you know as
1693
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,240
terrible as the atlanta shootings and
1694
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:48,640
the assaults were
1695
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:50,240
uh we have to stop focusing on the hate
1696
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,839
crimes aspect and overall the
1697
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,559
criminalization aspect of what is
1698
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:55,119
happening
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00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:56,160
um and that is you know i i you know
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00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,440
said at the beginning what happened
1701
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,280
atlanta was terrible and
1702
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,839
i still personally am reeling from it
1703
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,680
but the criminal justice system
1704
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:05,599
um you know as professor wenbeau
1705
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,839
mentioned um is likely to fail to
1706
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:09,440
recognize the complex racial context
1707
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:11,680
of the shootings in atlanta so to me
1708
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,000
that's one failure of focusing on the
1709
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,000
criminal
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00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,520
justice system as a response to what's
1711
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,720
happening um
1712
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,960
you know just because the local
1713
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,880
prosecutor or even the fbi declared that
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00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,640
it wasn't about race i think for
1715
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,400
asian american women across the country
1716
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,559
like me right now it doesn't make it any
1717
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,760
less about race just because officially
1718
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:30,079
you know the criminal investigators
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00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,680
aren't going to call it that um
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00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:33,599
but i also wanted to broaden out and say
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00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,119
you know referring to the 4 000
1722
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:37,119
incidents what's happening is clearly
1723
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:39,359
more than a surge in hate crimes
1724
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:41,440
hate crimes someone asked i think one of
1725
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:42,799
the q a is like what what's a hate crime
1726
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,720
versus a hate incident
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00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:46,559
hate crimes have to rise to the level of
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00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,200
violence threat of violence or property
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00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:49,920
damage
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00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,839
so to become criminalized activity that
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00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,000
law enforcement can pursue but if you
1732
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:56,079
look at what's been happening the 4 000
1733
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,680
cases that have been documented and the
1734
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:59,119
many more that haven't been
1735
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,440
you know there's a sustained surge in
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00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:03,280
anti-aging activity overall
1737
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,640
and the crimes while they're horrific
1738
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,799
are actually small relative
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00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,839
in number to the never ending flood of
1740
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:09,920
broader hate uh
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00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:11,520
incidents and then i think something
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00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,680
like 70 percent of what
1743
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,599
stopped aap i hate track is actually
1744
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,520
verbal harassment that's the most common
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00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,040
and likely form of anti-asian violence
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00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,480
to happen right now
1747
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,559
um so the criminal justice system the
1748
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,880
legal system have never really been able
1749
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:27,280
to deal with this type of non-criminal
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00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,000
harassment and violence um and it
1751
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,079
doesn't mean
1752
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,599
that these incidents and violence are
1753
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:33,760
going to go away um
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00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,799
you know we we now have data to show
1755
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,680
that it's getting worse
1756
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:39,920
right so i guess i raise all this
1757
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,680
because ultimately the criminal justice
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00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,680
system and demanding more police and
1759
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,520
demanding more hate crimes prosecutions
1760
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,119
is not going to make us safer
1761
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,040
you know the reality is we have all that
1762
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,400
right now we have hate crimes laws and
1763
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,440
penalties that have been on the books
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00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,119
for decades
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00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,559
they are not helping they have not
1766
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,720
helped they were meant to deter
1767
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,319
people but there i don't think there's
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00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,920
any documented case of someone
1769
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:01,359
who committed a hate crime or didn't
1770
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,480
commit a hate crime who could say i
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didn't do it
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00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,079
because you know i was going to get 10
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00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,920
more years because it was good i was
1774
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:10,400
going to get a hate crimes enhancement
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00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,440
um and honestly calling for more police
1776
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,160
isn't even helpful
1777
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,839
to many asian americans um just within
1778
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,559
the past month there was a case of a
1779
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:21,760
filipino american in antioch angelo
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00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:22,960
quinto quinto who was killed uh when his
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00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,559
family called the police
1782
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,160
and instead of helping him they kneeled
1783
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:27,280
on him very similar to george floyd and
1784
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,480
they killed him
1785
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,839
um so i wanted to kind of close by
1786
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,680
saying you know i've seen so many asian
1787
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:35,119
americans calling the atlanta shooting a
1788
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,160
sort of vincent chen moment for our
1789
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:38,559
current times
1790
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,240
something so palpable to so many that it
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00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:42,079
drives us to action
1792
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,760
um you know 40 years ago when vincent
1793
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:46,400
chin was killed a lot of the focus
1794
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,040
was on prosecuting the perpetrators who
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00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,880
were two white men and that was an era
1796
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,400
and and the decades that followed that
1797
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,160
were an era of increasing
1798
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,079
criminalization the so-called
1799
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,280
broken windows policing policies for
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00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:59,520
example
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00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,119
and what hate crimes laws do essentially
1802
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,640
is basically enhance the punishment for
1803
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:04,720
an existing crime so you're punished for
1804
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,160
the underlying crime like an assault
1805
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,400
and then you get additional punishment
1806
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:11,280
because the motive um was said to be
1807
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,720
based on a protected category like race
1808
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,799
and it was considered a big win at the
1809
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,880
time for the chin case to get prosecuted
1810
01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:18,480
as a hate crime because
1811
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,480
federal hate crimes laws were fairly new
1812
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,599
at the time vincent chin was the first
1813
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,480
asian victim
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01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:25,359
to be treated as such under the federal
1815
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,680
laws
1816
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:28,880
but i think as professor kim said
1817
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,359
earlier you know we're in a really
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01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,920
different
1819
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:32,880
place right now in terms of where the
1820
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,880
country is
1821
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,720
around criminal justice reform and
1822
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,480
around what policing and criminal
1823
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,520
justice really means for communities of
1824
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,119
color
1825
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:44,559
and so i mean what i am hoping you know
1826
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,160
if this is really truly a turning point
1827
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:48,559
for asian americans what i hope it
1828
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,000
causes us to do is to rethink the root
1829
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:52,480
causes of hate activity
1830
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,680
um which is really around racism and
1831
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,160
white supremacy
1832
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,040
and powers that uphold racism and white
1833
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,280
supremacy
1834
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,440
and that we think also about centering
1835
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,520
the trauma and focusing on the trauma
1836
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,520
the victims um experience
1837
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,880
um some of the things i'll just mention
1838
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,319
because i um
1839
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,240
wanted to say some things that were kind
1840
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:12,400
of things we could do is that
1841
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,640
you know asian americans can and should
1842
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,480
be supporting uh black lives matters and
1843
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,319
really it's not even about blm it's
1844
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,240
about the fact that so many people of
1845
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:22,160
color now are mobilizing around a better
1846
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,520
vision of justice and fighting against
1847
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,760
you know the increasing
1848
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,559
um criminalization of almost every
1849
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,160
aspect of our
1850
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:29,680
our society and i think as asian
1851
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,119
americans as you know
1852
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,880
if you've learned nothing this week you
1853
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,480
know the fact that white police could
1854
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,079
stand up there and say that
1855
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,240
you know atlanta had nothing to do with
1856
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:39,359
race you know with that they're not on
1857
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,599
our side
1858
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:43,280
um you know being agreeing to be the
1859
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:44,079
racial wedge against other communities
1860
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,799
is not helping
1861
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:48,240
asian americans at all um and i
1862
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:50,400
encourage our community to think about
1863
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,000
the lot the non-law enforcement options
1864
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,960
i'll drop some things into the links but
1865
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,359
there are a lot of asian american
1866
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,119
leaders who've been organizing around
1867
01:01:55,359 --> 01:01:59,520
policy recommendations on how to center
1868
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:01,760
victim trauma and community services
1869
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,520
um there are options now in places like
1870
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,520
la i think there's in
1871
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,039
using the 211 number which has been used
1872
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,240
for information in the past but it's
1873
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:10,640
also now being used
1874
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,319
um to as to ask for non-police
1875
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,880
intervention around hate
1876
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:16,559
uh cases um and i will end by just
1877
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:19,359
saying a couple of things um
1878
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:21,039
i do think it's absolutely important
1879
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:22,480
that we report hate incidents and by
1880
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,680
this i don't mean necessarily to law
1881
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,200
enforcement
1882
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,119
but you know there are multiple
1883
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,880
organizations in our community that are
1884
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:30,720
collecting this data this collection of
1885
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,400
data is what's helping us
1886
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:35,760
be able to show the scope of the problem
1887
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:38,240
so stop aapi hate also advancing justice
1888
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,760
has the sanigans hatred um data
1889
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,319
collection portal which actually was
1890
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,680
started
1891
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:45,760
um in response to them then candidate
1892
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,440
donald trump campaigning and starting to
1893
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,000
use anti-china language when he first
1894
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,039
started running
1895
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,720
for president in 2015. and i also say
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01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:54,799
you need to help us document i mean
1897
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,720
everything should be documented because
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01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:58,079
documenting you know allows us to tell
1899
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,079
the stories but it also helps to
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01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,599
validate the experiences of victims
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01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,359
we've had victims
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01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,960
realize that they've been harassed by
1903
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:07,039
the same perpetrator because people are
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01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,559
coming forward and telling their stories
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01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:10,079
and then finally i'll just say in terms
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01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:11,520
of what people can do whether you're
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01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:13,200
asian or non-asian
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01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,200
is you know one of the challenges that
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01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,200
i've seen many asian americans express
1910
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,839
around what's happening is the the sense
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that
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01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:20,880
until six women asian women were killed
1913
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,039
in atlanta
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01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,640
you know anti-asian violence anti-asian
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01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:26,880
hate has has been
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01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:29,200
viewed as invisible uh relative to other
1917
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,039
types of violence in our society and so
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01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,480
standing up for victims of hate
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01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:34,960
incidents is incredibly
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important um that's you know centering
1921
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,599
the trauma
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01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,599
that victims feel even if it's just
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01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:40,640
verbal harassment makes the anti-asian
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01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,480
hate visible
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01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,160
as someone who grew up in indiana and
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01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,680
served in i i
1927
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,920
was harassed so often i was called
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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,520
change in chat and told to go back to
1929
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,880
china so many times that it just sort of
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01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,319
became like
1931
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,240
you know part of my daily life like it
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01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:56,160
was it was you know and and it it
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01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:58,240
it made me feel small and little and no
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01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,160
one ever said anything um
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01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,839
to me and i think of if someone had just
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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,359
said something you know how much earlier
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01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:04,960
i would have been able to kind of
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01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:07,200
you know reconcile and deal with that
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01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,400
kind of microaggression and so
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01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,799
the last thing i'll say i'll drop this
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01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,480
into the chat again is that um there are
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01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:14,400
bystander intervention trainings if you
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01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,160
haven't heard about this it's something
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01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,839
i urge you to do um the advancing
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01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,200
justice organization
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01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:20,720
is partnering with a group called
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01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,839
hollaback um and they're doing these
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01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,599
virtual trainings
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01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:24,960
um all oliver i mean they're doing them
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01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,799
virtually now but they're organizations
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01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,160
all over the country that are sponsoring
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01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:30,160
these and basically
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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,400
it teaches you how to safely intervene
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01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,039
and support victims and de-escalate
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01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,720
conflict
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and i think that if nothing
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01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,160
you know standing up and and being able
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01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:41,039
to intervene in a way even just to tell
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01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,799
someone you know
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01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:44,160
what happened was terrible let me be
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01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:46,240
here to support you
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01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:49,359
is is a small thing that we can all do
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01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,359
right now going forward
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01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:54,160
thank you so much professor wong
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01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:56,240
before i introduce our next speaker i
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just want to remind our participants
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if you have a question there is a q a
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box at the bottom of your screen
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01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,079
uh you can put your questions there and
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01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,079
when we move to the q
1971
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:08,079
a portion we'll get to as many of those
1972
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:11,359
as possible i noticed some people
1973
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:13,039
are posting questions in the chat forum
1974
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:14,799
and it's easy for us to miss those when
1975
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:16,160
we go to q a so you can cut and paste
1976
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:17,920
your question from chat
1977
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,920
to the q a if you want them addressed
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01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,079
and again please identify the
1979
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,160
speaker that you would like to direct
1980
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:25,760
your question to and also tell us if you
1981
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:29,119
are a student
1982
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:31,200
our next speaker is dr gay yuan
1983
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:34,400
who is the president of the board of
1984
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:36,240
directors at the chinese american museum
1985
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,599
she has a rich history in community
1986
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,799
activism in fact
1987
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:41,359
she just mentioned the other day that
1988
01:05:38,799 --> 01:05:43,920
she has been interfacing right now with
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01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:45,839
the local los angeles government and the
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01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,240
mayor's office about the events that are
1991
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:50,000
unfolding she has served in the field of
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01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,720
education for over 45
1993
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,079
years has influenced many generations of
1994
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,720
teachers principals
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01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:58,720
lawmakers uh in her capacity as
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01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,680
professor and chair at california state
1997
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,680
university
1998
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,720
los angeles and so i'd like to turn the
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01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:06,240
floor over to
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dr yuen thank you michael and thank you
2001
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:10,039
everyone for
2002
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,520
uh enlightening me as i listen to your
2003
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:15,119
presentations
2004
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:18,319
i want to address tiffany and mariana
2005
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:20,960
first in 1960
2006
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:23,680
i was where you're at i was an
2007
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:26,400
undergraduate at ucla
2008
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:28,400
and because growing up as an immigrant
2009
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,400
here in the united states i had my
2010
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,039
culture and my language knocked out of
2011
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,359
me
2012
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:34,960
when i was swept in the face two weeks
2013
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:38,240
after i landed
2014
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:42,400
in in the united states
2015
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:45,599
in los angeles and had a
2016
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:46,079
self-hatred for years for being chinese
2017
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:48,799
from that
2018
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:50,319
point on and that's what society does to
2019
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:54,240
us
2020
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:57,359
and so my saving grace
2021
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:59,359
and what influenced me most
2022
01:06:57,359 --> 01:07:02,240
was being at the right place at the
2023
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:05,599
right time and being at ucla
2024
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:09,039
in the late 60s and the early 70s
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01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:11,359
so i majored in chinese studies and i
2026
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:14,319
was laughing with professor barry
2027
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:16,240
today because in fact he's in the
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01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:18,400
department that i was studying
2029
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:20,319
under but in those days it was called
2030
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:24,079
the department of oriental
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01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:28,480
studies and so that's what my
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01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:30,160
my ba says that i graduated with a va in
2033
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:33,680
oriental studies
2034
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:37,440
but ucla at that time and i'm hoping
2035
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:40,079
it's true now was so progressive
2036
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,799
that it shaped and influenced me in
2037
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:44,480
terms of
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01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:47,119
what i did and what i'm doing now
2039
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,280
uh i stood on top of the engineering
2040
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:51,839
building
2041
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:54,160
as we watched the national guards
2042
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:58,160
marched in
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01:07:54,160 --> 01:08:01,440
in a in a river of hard hats
2044
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:04,960
to to suppress
2045
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:07,920
the anti-vietnam war protests
2046
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,400
that we were all involved in i took my
2047
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:13,280
first
2048
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:16,319
ethnic studies class at ucla
2049
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:17,359
when no one even knew what ethnic
2050
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,759
studies was
2051
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:22,719
and we had an asian american ethnic
2052
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:25,839
studies courses and programs
2053
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:26,400
and that was when i realized that well
2054
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:29,759
i'm not
2055
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:32,719
white after all but then what
2056
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:35,279
am i and that's where the questioning
2057
01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:35,279
started
2058
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,199
what do you do with a ba in chinese
2059
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:41,279
studies
2060
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,400
you know the parents are saying go find
2061
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:45,199
a job right
2062
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,719
but what do you do with you know and
2063
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:51,520
then i heard about this thing now
2064
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:55,520
remember this was 1973-74
2065
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:58,880
lao versus nichols mariana
2066
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:00,560
the law that brought in bilingual
2067
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,880
education
2068
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,679
for refugee and immigrant students who
2069
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:07,120
couldn't speak
2070
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:11,040
english and that was ushered
2071
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:14,239
in because of lawsuits
2072
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:17,440
by chinese families
2073
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:20,400
and if you look throughout history
2074
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:23,040
many of the fights that the chinese
2075
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:26,319
immigrants fought
2076
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:28,880
we fought it in court because that
2077
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:32,239
allowed for sustainable
2078
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:35,679
change and we fought
2079
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:39,759
by learning the laws
2080
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:43,279
and we fought it in ways that were smart
2081
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:48,640
and lasting but at
2082
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:51,839
each stage of u.s history
2083
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,440
we were thrown hurdles the chinese
2084
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:56,800
exclusion act
2085
01:09:53,440 --> 01:10:01,600
the miners tax the poll tax
2086
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:05,679
right and and each time
2087
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:09,040
we were able to use our brains
2088
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:12,480
to fight our fights
2089
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:15,600
and so when i find myself
2090
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:20,960
engaged with the chinese american museum
2091
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,960
of los angeles after i retired
2092
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,679
after 45 years in education
2093
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:32,239
i realized that
2094
01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:33,840
these are the stories that need to be
2095
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:39,440
told
2096
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:42,000
so up until last year up until 2020
2097
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:42,480
fighting for the for the sustainability
2098
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:46,239
of the
2099
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:48,640
chinese museum was difficult but most of
2100
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:53,679
those fights had to do
2101
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:56,880
with financial sustainability
2102
01:10:53,679 --> 01:11:00,080
what happened in 2020
2103
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:03,440
totally upset our thinking
2104
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:07,679
and challenge our thoughts
2105
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:10,400
of what is our museum all about
2106
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:11,199
and for those of you who don't know our
2107
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,440
museum
2108
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:16,000
the chinese american museum is located
2109
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:18,640
in el pueblo historical monument we
2110
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:21,199
share the space with oberus street
2111
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,719
and we're across the street from union
2112
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:24,719
station
2113
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:26,480
people ask well how come the chinese
2114
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:28,480
chinese-american museum is not in
2115
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:31,360
chinatown
2116
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:31,840
it is in chinatown that was the very
2117
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,960
first
2118
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:37,120
chinatown and the museum is in the
2119
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,239
building that has now been turned back
2120
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:42,239
to us by the city government
2121
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:43,679
all the chinese and this is something
2122
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:47,199
else you might not have known
2123
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:50,560
mariana all the chinese were chased
2124
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:53,600
out of chinatown of that chinatown
2125
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:56,480
in the 1930s because they wanted to
2126
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:59,520
build union station
2127
01:11:56,480 --> 01:12:01,440
and so all the families all the
2128
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:05,600
businesses
2129
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:08,640
all the family associations
2130
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,000
had to be had to move they were traced
2131
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,920
out
2132
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,400
almost overnight and there are still
2133
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:17,600
people living today that remembers
2134
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:20,239
playing in the alleys there and and
2135
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:23,600
growing up there
2136
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:28,880
so so going back to the what we have to
2137
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:31,520
face uh in terms of the challenge
2138
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:34,320
the challenge wasn't covet because it
2139
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:37,679
did close the museum
2140
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:41,600
but the challenge was what is
2141
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:44,080
our museum in terms of our relationship
2142
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,960
not only with our chinese american
2143
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:50,239
people
2144
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:53,840
but with the greater society at large
2145
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:57,440
and it's pursuing thoughts
2146
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:59,679
of what helen zia says frequently
2147
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:01,520
and that is our history and the history
2148
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:04,640
of people of color
2149
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:08,159
our mih missing
2150
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:10,960
in history nobody talks about us nobody
2151
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:13,120
talks about our history
2152
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,000
and i was shocked marianna when you
2153
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,239
mentioned
2154
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,480
the chinese massacre when you mentioned
2155
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:21,600
the chinese exclusion act
2156
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:24,400
right recently
2157
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,199
at least some of us have heard of
2158
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,000
vincent
2159
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:30,159
vincent shin who were who was murdered
2160
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,640
39 years ago
2161
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:34,320
and and we will be commemorating the
2162
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:38,880
40th anniversary
2163
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:43,920
next year but this year is the 150th
2164
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:47,040
anniversary of the chinese massacre
2165
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:50,320
and we're not even a blimp
2166
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:52,159
but these are the racist incidents that
2167
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:55,520
continues to happen
2168
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:59,520
again and again and again
2169
01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,640
so as a museum who depend on the checks
2170
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:05,120
and the checkbooks
2171
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:08,159
of our donors and our supporters
2172
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:11,600
we took a very risky
2173
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:17,520
step last
2174
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:20,800
um last june when as a museum
2175
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:22,320
we released a racial justice for all
2176
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:26,320
americans
2177
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:30,080
statement calling for unity
2178
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:32,719
with the blm and we were worried that we
2179
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:35,199
would be losing some supporters
2180
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:37,679
but we said we can't only talk about
2181
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:38,960
racism in the past without connecting it
2182
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:41,040
to the racism
2183
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,239
that we're facing right now and that
2184
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:46,239
we've continued
2185
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:48,880
to face from 1850 until now
2186
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:49,840
and so we released that statement we got
2187
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,320
some pushback
2188
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,360
but mostly we were we're one of the
2189
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,239
first
2190
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:58,320
um chinese american organizations to
2191
01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:02,000
come out with that statement
2192
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:04,159
and and uh got a lot of support
2193
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,120
not only from our board members but from
2194
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:09,040
our um
2195
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:12,880
our supporters and yesterday
2196
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:16,239
we release another statement of standing
2197
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:19,520
together against hate
2198
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:22,960
beyond statements we've been
2199
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:26,080
actively working together
2200
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:29,360
across coalitions of leaders
2201
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:31,120
of people of color but we've also been
2202
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,679
working
2203
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,800
with legislation we've been working with
2204
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:37,600
uh in fact
2205
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,560
we just met with police chief michael
2206
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:42,880
moore
2207
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:46,880
talking to him about police reform
2208
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:48,560
from from uh from training and hiring to
2209
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,000
promotions
2210
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,400
because those are some of the things
2211
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:56,239
that need to be changed
2212
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:59,360
and so we're working more
2213
01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:03,280
on the grassroots level trying
2214
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:05,679
to raise awareness in our own community
2215
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,120
so that we're not as isolated and trying
2216
01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:10,480
to help
2217
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:14,239
our community also connect
2218
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:17,840
with some of the the things that other
2219
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:21,760
people of color are facing um
2220
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:24,960
and i'm tired i'm sad
2221
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:28,080
i've also been crying
2222
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,880
but we have to do it we have to roll up
2223
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:35,440
our sleeves
2224
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:38,080
and do it so thank you
2225
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:39,600
thank you dr yuen for sharing this
2226
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,920
powerful experience
2227
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,840
and even more so for everything that you
2228
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,520
have done and continue to do
2229
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,280
and we really appreciate you sharing
2230
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,719
your experience
2231
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:52,719
our final speaker is hyunji roh who is
2232
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:55,040
an executive coach and former
2233
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:57,840
co-director of advancing justice
2234
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:59,199
asian law caucus she was previously a
2235
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,199
civil rights attorney
2236
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:02,640
and director of various nonprofit
2237
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:05,840
organizations
2238
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:07,679
from 2011 to 2014 she was executive
2239
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:10,560
director and co-director
2240
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:12,320
of asian americans advancing justice the
2241
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,360
nation's first legal aid and civil
2242
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,520
rights organization
2243
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,880
serving asian pacific american
2244
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,640
communities
2245
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,400
she began her career as a civil rights
2246
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,360
litigator at the u.s department of
2247
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,040
justice
2248
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,560
uh civil rights division in washington
2249
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:27,280
dc and
2250
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:30,800
we're so happy you could join us don't
2251
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:33,360
you please
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thank you michael and thank you to
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01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:37,280
everyone
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01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,960
who shared and to all the uh shares in
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01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:41,760
the comments i've been really moved
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01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:43,760
by a lot of what i've been reading and i
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01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,040
may be the only panelist who michael
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01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,199
didn't actually ask
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01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,719
to join this panel i actually asked him
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01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:52,239
if i could join this panel
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01:17:48,719 --> 01:17:54,320
when i heard that it was happening and
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01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:56,239
the reason why is actually not because
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01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,560
of the past civil rights work that i've
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01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:58,320
done
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01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,760
when i used to be an attorney it's
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01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,880
actually because the work that i'm doing
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01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,520
now
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01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,640
which is as somebody who is holding
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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,360
space
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01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:09,520
in particular for asian american leaders
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01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,920
and holding space for organizations
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01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,199
that are grappling with how do we
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01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,120
actually
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01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:18,400
do the work of creating trust and
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01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:20,719
belonging on a day-to-day basis
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01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,920
and so in the spirit of what michael
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01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:25,040
shared around
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01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:26,000
what are ways up i wanted to share and i
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01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,760
don't know if
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01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,600
my internet connection says it's
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01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,880
unstable can you still hear me michael
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01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,960
can you give me a thumbs up if i'm still
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01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:36,159
coming through
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01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:38,400
okay great thank you i wanted to share
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01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:40,239
some thoughts um as i've been talking
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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,560
with people this week
2287
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:44,880
about what are things that we can do on
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01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:47,600
a day-to-day basis
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01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,960
and the first one really builds so much
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01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,320
on what both gay
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01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:55,280
and karen shared and
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01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:56,159
i think of it as choosing to risk our
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01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,440
own
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01:18:56,159 --> 01:19:02,080
significance and this is this is from
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01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:03,440
um one of my favorite poems and i'm
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01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,239
actually going to type the sentence into
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01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:07,360
the chat
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01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:10,320
so that you all have it but this line
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01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,679
has really just been um staying with me
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01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,800
this week i choose
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01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:17,040
to risk my significance
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01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,400
and it speaks to what what gay shared
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01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:21,520
around mih
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01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:23,040
missing in history and there are the big
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01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,440
history events of course
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01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,719
right the the big things that are that
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01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:28,640
are unspoken
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01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:31,199
and there are also the moments every
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01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:34,400
single day the moments of choice
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01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:36,719
that we have either to speak up and to
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01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,600
share what we're experiencing to share
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01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:40,880
who we are
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01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:42,640
or actually not to speak and
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01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,560
these can just be really everyday
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01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,719
moments like um
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01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:48,159
i was in a meeting this morning and we
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01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:50,320
were just doing check-ins
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01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:52,080
right and everyone else's check-in you
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01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,520
know was something like i'm you know
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01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,679
experiencing this around my kids and
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01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:58,800
experiencing that and meanwhile
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01:19:55,679 --> 01:20:00,400
my heart was just hurting you know so
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01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:03,280
the check-in question was what's
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01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,560
present for you now and what was really
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01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:08,159
present for me was my
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01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:10,480
heart was hurting because of
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01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:12,800
what we've been experiencing this week
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01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:14,719
and i had this moment of hesitation
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01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,920
do i share that because nobody else is
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01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:18,320
talking about it
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01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,600
maybe that's not the topic of this
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01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:22,239
conversation
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01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,679
i was the only asian person in this
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01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:27,840
meeting
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01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:31,040
and this this sentence came back to me
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01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,960
do i choose to risk my significance
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01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:36,480
do i choose to believe that my
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01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,480
experience matters
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01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:41,840
so i did make the choice and i said my
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01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:44,159
heart is hurting
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01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,280
and this is why and this is what is
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01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:48,719
present for me
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01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,920
right now and it changed
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01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:52,320
it changed the course of that
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01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:55,280
conversation
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01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:56,800
these are the kinds of everyday choices
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01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:00,480
that we can make
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01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:03,520
to risk our own significance
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01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:05,920
so that we're not mih in the grand
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01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,800
scope of history and we're also not
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01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,520
missing
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01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,710
action in just the everyday moments of
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01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,239
our lives
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01:21:10,710 --> 01:21:15,280
[Music]
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01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:18,480
we need each of your voices
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01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:22,080
we need each of your stories we
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01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:23,280
need to hear each of you to see each of
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01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:27,280
you
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01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:28,880
in just the uniqueness of who you are
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01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,960
that's part of what's going to turn this
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01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,239
around for each of us just in every
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01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:36,159
moment
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01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:39,520
of our lives the second way up
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01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:42,000
i want to offer is that
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01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:44,320
this you know spoiler alert nobody has
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01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,719
the answers
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01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,239
these questions that we are living into
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01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:50,719
right now
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01:21:48,239 --> 01:21:51,840
questions around how do we care for each
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01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:55,120
other
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01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:58,480
what does it mean to care for each other
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01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:00,000
how do we belong to each other and and
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01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,520
beyond just being
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01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,840
sitting at a table together right we
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01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:06,320
talk about a seat at the table
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01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,360
i'm not talking about belonging as
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01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,679
having a seat at the
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01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,639
table i'm talking about a deeper kind of
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01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:24,000
belonging
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01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:27,199
where your is mine
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01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,199
you are frozen now
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01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:33,520
we don't know how to do this everybody
2383
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:35,679
is living into these questions right now
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01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,800
and so i want to say that if you you
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01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:40,239
don't have the answers
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01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:43,199
okay nobody hands
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01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:47,440
us to actually live into the questions
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01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:47,440
we are figuring this out in real time
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01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:52,000
and the final thing i would offer is
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01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,320
that
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01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,719
discomfort is not a sign that something
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01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,719
is wrong
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01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:06,000
right now where we are in this country
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01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:08,639
we're just in a hot mess of discomfort
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01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,719
that's what's real right now
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01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:11,679
that's what that's what being in
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01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:14,800
community
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01:23:11,679 --> 01:23:18,840
feels like right now
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01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:21,040
it actually feels like sitting in the
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01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,719
discomfort
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01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,639
and we've got to find we've got to each
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01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:26,719
of us has got to build our internal
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01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:28,960
capacity to stay
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01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:29,840
in the discomfort that's how we stay in
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01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,400
community
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01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,400
right now
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01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:40,239
so i want to close with
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01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:43,520
i want to close with a poem and
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01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:46,159
it's a poem about building bridges
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01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,800
and i love it because it really speaks
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01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:49,520
to
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01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:51,199
the kind of work that's required of all
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01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,760
of us right now
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01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:55,440
and i'm going to put it in the chat and
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01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:58,000
i'll read it here as a way to close
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01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:59,520
my share and this is a poem that
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01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,120
building bridges it's called from here
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01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,679
to there
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01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:05,199
may i build this bridge between you and
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01:24:03,679 --> 01:24:08,320
me
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01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:10,719
build it with words sincere and strong
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01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,600
and when the words don't quite reach
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01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:16,080
i'll build the bridge with silence
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01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:18,320
and when silence falls short i'll build
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01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:20,480
it with longing
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01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,440
and if the longing won't span the gap
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01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:24,719
i'll fill it
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01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:27,920
in what's left with history with hope
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01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:31,600
with facts with fantasy jazz
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01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:34,719
poetry shoelaces old gum
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01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:36,080
feathers toothpicks candle wax gauze of
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01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:39,920
ruined dreams
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01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:43,840
almost apple peels i swear i will use
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01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:46,239
anything it takes to build this bridge
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01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,280
and when it falls apart as bridges
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01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:50,480
sometimes do
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01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:54,560
i will build it again with
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01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:58,000
my bones with my tears
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01:24:54,560 --> 01:25:00,320
with my shadow with my
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01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,320
light
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01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:07,199
keep shining your light we need your
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01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,199
light
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01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:15,760
thank you
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01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:18,800
thank you so much that was beautiful and
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01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:20,000
yeah so much appreciation um for all of
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01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,080
you for sharing
2447
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:24,080
so much beauty and insight and
2448
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:27,199
experiences on this panel
2449
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:30,320
we have a lot of questions uh in the q a
2450
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:32,080
but before i open some of those up one
2451
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:34,480
thing i thought was really special was
2452
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,920
when gay was speaking the interactions
2453
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:37,920
you had with mariana
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01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,199
and that kind of intergenerational
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01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,120
communication and
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01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:43,679
and before we go to the q a box i'm
2457
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,360
wondering if any of our speakers
2458
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:47,280
uh have questions for one another but in
2459
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,880
particular the students do you guys have
2460
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:51,760
questions for
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01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:54,239
the us old folks or do any of our
2462
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:56,159
speakers have questions for our students
2463
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:58,159
because i think it's so essential that
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01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:59,280
we also really reach out to one another
2465
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:02,480
to understand
2466
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:04,639
how our undergrads are coping and
2467
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:07,520
navigating what's been happening
2468
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:08,000
and and vice versa and so i want to just
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01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,320
create that
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01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,840
space for a moment for the panel to
2471
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:14,480
interact with one another before we go
2472
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,480
to the q a
2473
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:22,080
i just had a quick question tiffany did
2474
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:24,080
you want to go first or is it good if i
2475
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,719
asked really quick
2476
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:28,000
oh yeah you can go okay sounds good um i
2477
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:29,840
was just gonna ask is
2478
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,920
do you know when the chinese american
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01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:35,199
museum will be open or
2480
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:37,199
is covet affecting that right now or
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01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:40,560
still closed
2482
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:43,840
uh were were part of tier
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01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:46,239
three opening but because we're part of
2484
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,560
el pueblo historical monument and there
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01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:49,600
are
2486
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:53,840
a lot of uh merchants
2487
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:56,800
and food places there were dependent on
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01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:59,520
when el pueblo would open
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01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,840
so we don't have a date yet and i think
2490
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:05,520
uh
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01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:09,600
michael you and i had talked about
2492
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:12,880
we have resources to bring buses
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01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:16,320
from schools from kinder to
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01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:19,360
to university level to come visit our
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01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:22,400
museum once it reopens again
2496
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:25,120
and so i'll be happy to provide those to
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01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:32,239
anyone who's interested
2498
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:35,360
and i may personally dose in it
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01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:37,760
thank you yeah we had had uh
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01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:39,199
plan alex hyungju and i all have
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01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,480
children in the same school and that we
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01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:42,719
had a plan to visit
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01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:44,560
gays museum i remember you know eve of
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01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:47,120
cove at 19 and so
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01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,560
we will keep that it'll happen we'll
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01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:53,440
make it happen
2507
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:53,440
yes other questions for the panel
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01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:58,320
if not let's start uh getting to some of
2509
01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:59,120
our q and a's we have so many questions
2510
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,520
here
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01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:03,600
and i'm going to start with this one
2512
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,760
from julie cho
2513
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:07,679
what is mainstream news getting right
2514
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:10,080
about accounting for the history and
2515
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:10,880
context of anti-asian racism and
2516
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,639
violence
2517
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,000
what do they still need to learn what
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01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:16,239
can non-english ethnic
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01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,920
media sources provide and how can we
2520
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:19,600
elevate this community knowledge
2521
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,520
what are some of the media practices
2522
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:24,719
that we can use to amplify
2523
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,719
for better understanding
2524
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:29,840
anyone kaiser you want to take a stab at
2525
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,840
that
2526
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:35,920
i mean that's a huge question um and
2527
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,520
i think there have been a lot of
2528
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,080
critiques about what media has gotten
2529
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,080
wrong
2530
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:42,159
uh out the gate talking about this i
2531
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:46,400
think those are fairly familiar
2532
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:48,800
uh from my perspective i think that uh
2533
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,000
one thing that they have failed to focus
2534
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:53,679
enough on
2535
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:57,280
is again it's you know it's as i said
2536
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:57,920
it's how the downturn in the bilateral
2537
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:01,040
relationship
2538
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:02,800
coupled with china's meteoric rise has
2539
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:05,360
really changed the way
2540
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:06,480
that that uh chinese americans and
2541
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:08,239
collaterally
2542
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:10,080
all asian americans are viewed in this
2543
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:11,760
country
2544
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,120
we've this is something that we've not
2545
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,560
encountered before
2546
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:17,280
i think this really needs to be put into
2547
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:21,040
an historical context we've never seen
2548
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:24,080
a country rise so quickly relative to us
2549
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:27,440
one that is so deeply intertwined
2550
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:29,120
and interdependent with us where in such
2551
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:30,639
a short span of time
2552
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,239
they've gone from something a country
2553
01:29:30,639 --> 01:29:35,360
that we very much looked down
2554
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:37,120
at as it were punched down toward
2555
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,880
that was sort of despised regarded as
2556
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:41,600
underdeveloped regarded as
2557
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,639
as always you know the perennial learner
2558
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,040
uh
2559
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:45,679
to suddenly one that we we in many
2560
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,159
senses
2561
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:49,600
fear that is something that that
2562
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:50,400
historically we've not wrestled with
2563
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,920
before
2564
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:54,159
it's never happened in such a compressed
2565
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:56,800
period and that has i think
2566
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:57,520
real implications both for how china
2567
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,840
behaves and
2568
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,760
for how the united states behaves and
2569
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,560
more importantly for our discussion
2570
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:06,080
today
2571
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:08,400
how americans view
2572
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,199
uh chinese and then of course by
2573
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,840
extension or
2574
01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:13,120
collaterally all east asians in the
2575
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:15,280
united states
2576
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:17,360
so i think that's something that that uh
2577
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,600
the media has has missed out on
2578
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,960
i think there's there's after the first
2579
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,960
12 hours or so
2580
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:25,040
i saw a lot of pretty heroic efforts to
2581
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:27,440
really try to contextualize things
2582
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,960
a lot of people who were you know boning
2583
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:31,199
up as quickly as they could on their
2584
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,880
asian american studies 101
2585
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:34,400
a lot of people who were reaching out as
2586
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,960
quickly as they could to
2587
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,520
to find people who actually do know the
2588
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,600
history
2589
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:45,360
of asians in this country uh
2590
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:48,639
i i think that that that's that's
2591
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:49,040
laudable uh i think it should have been
2592
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:51,520
there
2593
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:52,480
you know before the first headlines were
2594
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,560
and then there were some really
2595
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:56,080
excitable headlines
2596
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,960
i'll stop there but i'm sure a lot of
2597
01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:00,320
people have have comments as well
2598
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:03,840
would anyone else like to comment on
2599
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:03,840
that question claire
2600
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,560
and then karen
2601
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:10,080
you're muted claire
2602
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:14,080
i've done a number of uh media
2603
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:16,159
interviews over the last week so not
2604
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,639
just about the atlanta killings but
2605
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:19,920
about
2606
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:22,239
previous anti-asian events and
2607
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,679
i have a few observations people might
2608
01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:26,080
find interesting
2609
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:28,960
most of the people who contacted me the
2610
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:31,280
reporters were asian-american themselves
2611
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,800
and so i thought this reflected you know
2612
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,400
this interested me because i wondered
2613
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,080
what difference is it going to make
2614
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,520
that they're asian american and how they
2615
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:40,560
cover the story
2616
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:42,239
and um one thing that disappointed me
2617
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,320
was that i found that you know i
2618
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:45,520
understand reporters especially for like
2619
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,760
a major
2620
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:50,239
um newspaper that they have a you know a
2621
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:53,040
deadline in 24 hours that they are
2622
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:54,239
don't have a lot of time to do in-depth
2623
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,400
research so
2624
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:58,080
they reach for whatever interpretive
2625
01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:00,560
frames are available to us
2626
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:02,159
culturally and they just apply those to
2627
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:04,719
the facts on the ground
2628
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:05,280
and so for example when there was this
2629
01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:07,840
brief
2630
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:09,199
sort of news frenzy about whether black
2631
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:12,000
people were going after
2632
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:12,400
asians asian americans and i remember
2633
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,480
one
2634
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,920
cnn producer contacted me and said can
2635
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:16,639
you talk to me about this story and i
2636
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:18,560
said
2637
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:20,239
well you know other than the one video
2638
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,080
that i saw um
2639
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:23,840
that might you know involve a black
2640
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:26,080
perpetrator in san francisco where
2641
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:28,000
are the other stories like can you tell
2642
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,560
me um what the evidence is and she said
2643
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,239
well
2644
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,920
i don't really know of any other so it
2645
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:33,440
really seemed like it was based on one
2646
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:35,600
or two cases
2647
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:37,760
and then people were saying this is a
2648
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:39,360
black problem and these are black people
2649
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,280
going after asians and
2650
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,280
and then all of these you know young
2651
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,639
asian american journalists wanted to use
2652
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,480
that frame
2653
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:48,320
and even though i was talking to them
2654
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:50,239
and saying you're criminalizing black
2655
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,760
people sort of before there's even been
2656
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:54,400
a trial
2657
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:56,080
in the absence of evidence so you know
2658
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,679
that concerned me because age here are
2659
01:32:56,080 --> 01:33:00,560
asian americans talking about
2660
01:32:57,679 --> 01:33:01,040
racism against themselves and yet they
2661
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,600
are
2662
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:05,360
reproducing right these anti-black
2663
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:09,360
tropes which we know
2664
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:11,600
lead to mass incarceration and other um
2665
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,880
nightmares that we are living through so
2666
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,719
i thought that was a very
2667
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,320
um interesting aspect of what was going
2668
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:19,280
on
2669
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,280
thank you karen
2670
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,520
yeah i just wanted to um there were a
2671
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,679
lot of pieces in that question
2672
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:27,280
um that related to media and i just
2673
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:29,440
wanted to make two comments
2674
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:31,040
or observations related to media and
2675
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:32,080
what's been happening what is that and
2676
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,159
and i think
2677
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:36,159
professor kim uh talked about this too
2678
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:38,239
but um i have noticed
2679
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:40,400
that i think unlike in the past there
2680
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:43,199
are just a lot more asian american
2681
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:45,360
journalists in mainstream spaces and and
2682
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:48,239
the stories that i'm seeing
2683
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:50,000
that are more nuanced particularly
2684
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:51,679
around the intersectional issues i
2685
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:54,159
talked about earlier between
2686
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:55,679
race gender and sort of the fact that
2687
01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:56,639
you know these may or may not be sex
2688
01:33:55,679 --> 01:33:58,080
workers um
2689
01:33:56,639 --> 01:33:59,360
you know that kind of unpacking of all
2690
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,719
that is actually coming from asian
2691
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,239
american journalists mostly asian
2692
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:04,239
american women and so
2693
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:05,520
it's just you know that representation
2694
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:07,360
sometimes feels like
2695
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:09,199
you know it's it's like you know a
2696
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:10,960
low-hanging fruit but it does have
2697
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:12,960
this kind of payoff in terms of i think
2698
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,639
without them we would be seeing a lot
2699
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,480
more of just the you know kind of the
2700
01:34:14,639 --> 01:34:18,000
blind parroting of you know what the
2701
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:19,760
sheriff said about the bad day
2702
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:22,159
and all the horrible kind of you know
2703
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,040
framing around the the perpetrators uh
2704
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:25,600
narrative
2705
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,800
um so i i wanted to lift that up um any
2706
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,000
point to that and the other piece i
2707
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,360
think there was a piece about ethic
2708
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,480
media and i don't know that my comment
2709
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,600
will address this but
2710
01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:33,600
i also thought it was interesting
2711
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:35,280
following what was happening um
2712
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:37,199
uh in the reporting is there was a very
2713
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,880
different um set of
2714
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:40,320
narratives and facts coming out of
2715
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,000
korean media um
2716
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,760
and i don't read korean so this is
2717
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,480
actually coming from seeing friends that
2718
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,320
either
2719
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:47,679
were korean speaking or were in korean
2720
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,360
communities posting what they were
2721
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:49,679
seeing in the korean media in atlanta
2722
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,920
and
2723
01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:53,360
the korean media was identifying who the
2724
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,679
four other victims were
2725
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,800
sooner they had um they had facts that
2726
01:34:55,679 --> 01:34:58,480
have yet to come out
2727
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,239
or at least they have witnesses who have
2728
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:02,400
said things like there were racial
2729
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:03,760
uh racialized language being said um by
2730
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:05,040
the shooter and so there's a lot of
2731
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,320
things that ethnic media was finding
2732
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,360
because they were speaking i think to
2733
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:10,719
witnesses
2734
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:13,280
and to the victims uh family members
2735
01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:14,960
um probably in korean a lot of their i
2736
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,800
think both korean and chinese
2737
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,400
women who were killed and so um the
2738
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:20,239
ethnic media has a really powerful role
2739
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:23,280
but they kind of exist in this totally
2740
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:24,400
parallel sphere um uh where
2741
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,320
you know major media doesn't pay
2742
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:28,000
attention to them um and a lot of us who
2743
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:30,560
don't speak to read the language
2744
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,199
also don't so it's just interesting to
2745
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,199
me to see
2746
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:36,000
how those two pieces might come together
2747
01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:37,760
whether the ethnic media did identify
2748
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:41,119
facts and other issues that mainstream
2749
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:41,119
media hasn't gotten to yet
2750
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:46,480
thank you uh gay do you want to also
2751
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,480
respond to this
2752
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,679
you're you're mute
2753
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,600
i'm going to pass on this one and see
2754
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,360
whether the questions come up
2755
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,719
okay yeah actually the next i'm going to
2756
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:03,360
give you the next question then
2757
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:05,679
okay um this is from sam mahara
2758
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,639
he says i'm i'm sam o'hara a former
2759
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:08,480
prisoner
2760
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:10,000
at a world war ii camp for japanese
2761
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:12,000
americans i am now
2762
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:13,440
a national lecturer on injustice
2763
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,600
including at ucla
2764
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:16,719
i have taught over 60 000 people across
2765
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,400
the country
2766
01:36:16,719 --> 01:36:19,920
and i have learned that most of the
2767
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:23,040
public know very little
2768
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,320
about racism hysteria and leaders allow
2769
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,800
injustice to take place
2770
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:30,800
my question how to best educate everyone
2771
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,800
about the lessons learned from history
2772
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:37,280
you know history doesn't come out and
2773
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:40,639
say this is racism
2774
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:41,360
we we we read about wars we read about
2775
01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:44,880
events
2776
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:46,400
we read about um what one group did to
2777
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,800
another group
2778
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:50,400
but it really depends on who's telling
2779
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:53,280
that story
2780
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,960
because history is really storytelling
2781
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,400
especially when we talk about how
2782
01:36:54,960 --> 01:37:01,119
history is presented
2783
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:01,119
in education and so
2784
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:04,960
that's why i think
2785
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:13,040
i tend to like the
2786
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:16,639
the presentation in a storytelling
2787
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:22,320
format because it puts thing in
2788
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:22,320
context all right um
2789
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:27,119
history was my worst topic growing up in
2790
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,960
the united states and
2791
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:30,960
even though by fourth grade i learned
2792
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:34,000
enough english to function in an
2793
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:37,520
all english environment but it was
2794
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:40,719
still struggling with those courses
2795
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:43,440
that needed a lot of deep
2796
01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:45,280
understanding and deep understanding of
2797
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:49,040
nuances
2798
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:51,760
of what is being communicated to us
2799
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:53,679
in the books and also in the so-called
2800
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:57,360
lectures and the teachings
2801
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:58,239
right and so i've always thought i hated
2802
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,880
history never
2803
01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:03,840
in my life would i have thought that i
2804
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:07,600
would be chairman of the board of
2805
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:09,679
a historical museum
2806
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:11,760
that was the last thing if you told me
2807
01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:13,440
that you know 20 years ago i would have
2808
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:15,840
thought that's ridiculous
2809
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:16,960
but i finally realized the reason i
2810
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:22,080
hated history
2811
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:22,080
was because it didn't apply to me
2812
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:26,880
you know my folks didn't land on
2813
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:31,520
plymouth rock
2814
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:34,880
you know our westward movement
2815
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:37,920
was not
2816
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:42,159
in cover wagons right
2817
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:45,360
crossing the rockies if anything
2818
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:47,360
our second westward movement had to do
2819
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:50,080
with the vietnamese americans
2820
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:52,320
who landed here as refugees who were
2821
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:55,600
sponsored by people from
2822
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:58,000
south dakota and after the first
2823
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:59,119
winter heard that their relatives in
2824
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,800
california
2825
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:02,560
didn't have to fight through all that
2826
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:06,239
snow right
2827
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:09,360
and so so the how history
2828
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:12,480
is presented in my mind
2829
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:16,000
is more important
2830
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:19,600
after we address the issue
2831
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:23,280
of what history is presented
2832
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:24,320
that's a roundabout way of answering the
2833
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:26,400
question
2834
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:28,000
and i don't know whether i've answered
2835
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:31,840
the question
2836
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:34,080
but uh you know please clarify if i have
2837
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,080
not
2838
01:39:34,239 --> 01:39:41,840
would anyone else like to take a stab at
2839
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:41,840
this question about education
2840
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:48,080
okay we will move on rachel lee
2841
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:49,679
hi i'm an asian american high school
2842
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:51,119
student from los angeles
2843
01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:52,880
from what i've seen during this time a
2844
01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:54,080
lot of the conversations surrounding the
2845
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:56,320
anti-asian sentiment
2846
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:58,080
and racism against asians in general has
2847
01:39:56,320 --> 01:40:00,800
been quite insular to the
2848
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:02,800
aapi community many of my friends were
2849
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:04,480
shocked by the recent atlanta shooting
2850
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,560
and the fact that these types of events
2851
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:08,159
have been going on during this pandemic
2852
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:10,400
what steps do we need to take for
2853
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:12,639
widespread change to be effective
2854
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:14,239
far-reaching and truly noticed by the
2855
01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:16,480
greater american public
2856
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:23,840
i mean this is the million-dollar
2857
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:23,840
question i suppose
2858
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:28,400
who would like to answer rachel's
2859
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,840
question
2860
01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:44,159
anyone
2861
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,280
you want to take a stab at that
2862
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:57,440
yeah rachel i was just rereading your
2863
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:59,840
question and it's such a wonderful
2864
01:40:57,440 --> 01:40:59,840
question
2865
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:04,320
i think it's it's something that my view
2866
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,639
is it has to happen
2867
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:08,000
on so many different levels and it
2868
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:10,080
requires all of us
2869
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,840
to be involved because it has to be so
2870
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:14,800
multifaceted
2871
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,600
so i think one really important step is
2872
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:18,000
that
2873
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:19,280
that each of us starts speaking out in
2874
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,360
in whatever sphere
2875
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:23,119
we find ourselves in right so whether
2876
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:25,360
it's you in your high school
2877
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:26,480
or me in a session that i'm facilitating
2878
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:29,040
you know or michael
2879
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:30,480
in in a class that he's teaching right
2880
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:33,119
so just imagine
2881
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:34,560
the ripple effect that each of our if
2882
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:36,639
each of us used our voices
2883
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:38,239
in that way and of course there's the
2884
01:41:36,639 --> 01:41:40,080
level of policy
2885
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:42,320
right really holding our elected
2886
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:45,520
officials and our leaders accountable
2887
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:47,119
for for what we see is the right thing
2888
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,719
so just a couple of initial thoughts and
2889
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:51,040
i see some other folks also want to
2890
01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:51,040
comment
2891
01:41:52,719 --> 01:42:00,080
does anyone else want to comment tiffany
2892
01:41:56,239 --> 01:42:03,119
yeah um i think there is definitely
2893
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:05,520
a lot of things that um you can do and
2894
01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:06,159
obviously i don't have the answers to
2895
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,639
all of that
2896
01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:10,320
but i think that um it's definitely
2897
01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:13,840
important to
2898
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:16,000
like um hindu said to enact change in
2899
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,280
at different levels and at your own like
2900
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:20,480
capacity
2901
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:21,679
i think like for me what i would suggest
2902
01:42:20,480 --> 01:42:23,600
is maybe even starting
2903
01:42:21,679 --> 01:42:26,080
at an interpersonal level like what can
2904
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:29,360
you do on the daily to challenge
2905
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:30,239
um you know what um the violence is in
2906
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:32,719
the oppression that
2907
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:34,159
um that are occurring how can you do
2908
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:36,000
that in your personal life whether
2909
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:37,119
that's educating yourself whether that's
2910
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:39,760
spreading awareness
2911
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:42,239
on your social media platforms or
2912
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:45,119
talking about them with your friends
2913
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:46,000
your community your family all of that
2914
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:48,639
and
2915
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:49,199
it's i would like to say an echo what i
2916
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:52,560
had said
2917
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:54,320
in the beginning of this event that this
2918
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:55,520
isn't just going to be something that we
2919
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:58,400
can resolve
2920
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:59,520
after one day after one week after one
2921
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,960
year
2922
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,719
but this is an issue that has been
2923
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:04,080
ongoing and this is something that we
2924
01:43:02,719 --> 01:43:07,199
have to continue
2925
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:09,840
to work together
2926
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:10,320
and really consider how we can do this
2927
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,840
over
2928
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,080
a span of our lifetime because
2929
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,520
unfortunately these things have been
2930
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:17,440
going on for generations
2931
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,800
and it's not going to just take one
2932
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:22,480
generation
2933
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:22,480
and one person to resolve it
2934
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:28,080
gay is your hand raised also for this
2935
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,880
question it's not but i do want to say
2936
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:31,920
something
2937
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:35,040
and that is even though i'm so
2938
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:36,159
i i was very traditionally raised and so
2939
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,880
it was
2940
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:39,199
aspects of having to break out right of
2941
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,840
the
2942
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:42,800
the chinese culture the traditional
2943
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:45,840
culture
2944
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:47,600
sometimes values and behavior and i
2945
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:51,360
think so many of us still
2946
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:54,800
carry that asian uh cultural
2947
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:59,040
influence that
2948
01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:02,080
um at this time
2949
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:04,719
we might have to seriously think about
2950
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:07,760
how we're gonna break out of it
2951
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:10,560
even something um
2952
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:11,600
like what karen ryan said about under
2953
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:15,600
reporting
2954
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:17,600
right under reporting of hate crimes and
2955
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:23,119
hate incidents
2956
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:26,800
and then how for those who report
2957
01:44:23,119 --> 01:44:30,639
it's the the women who report and so
2958
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:33,600
the assumption is that more
2959
01:44:30,639 --> 01:44:34,159
violence has been perpetrated against
2960
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:37,840
women
2961
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:38,480
than men and then karen corrected
2962
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,760
herself
2963
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:45,520
and said well at least not as reported
2964
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:47,679
right and so if you look at our culture
2965
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:50,400
and you think about male female
2966
01:44:47,679 --> 01:44:52,639
relationships within
2967
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:54,000
the so-called confucius cultures or the
2968
01:44:52,639 --> 01:44:57,280
asian values and
2969
01:44:54,000 --> 01:45:00,639
asian influences that male might be
2970
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:04,000
less likely to report an incident
2971
01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:07,360
than then the women might right
2972
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:08,000
and so so the other thing we talked
2973
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:11,280
about
2974
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:13,760
i belong to a very small coalition of
2975
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,639
like-minded people and we talk every
2976
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,840
every
2977
01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:21,679
wednesday morning and finally
2978
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:25,360
one of the the women um
2979
01:45:21,679 --> 01:45:28,480
said you know i think
2980
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:32,159
we need to go agree against our
2981
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:35,040
you know our grain and and not keep
2982
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:36,159
doing what we've been conditioned or
2983
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:39,920
taught to do
2984
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:43,440
we have to speak up we have to report
2985
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:44,719
we have to talk back and we need to talk
2986
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:47,840
back even though
2987
01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:51,040
we're afraid of repercussions
2988
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:54,639
right and and i think she's right on
2989
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:58,800
i think the time is now this is the time
2990
01:45:54,639 --> 01:46:01,360
for change and but this is also the time
2991
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:03,040
to change our behavior i have this
2992
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:06,880
internal struggle
2993
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:10,239
on one hand i really love and value
2994
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:11,679
traditional chinese right values and
2995
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:14,800
teaching
2996
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:18,159
but growing up as a victim
2997
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:21,040
of so many racial incidents
2998
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,520
i have to learn to fight back and i
2999
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:25,600
fight
3000
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:26,719
back by speaking louder by by demanding
3001
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:29,760
more
3002
01:46:26,719 --> 01:46:32,159
right by my
3003
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:33,920
squeaking right being that squeaking
3004
01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:36,639
wheel
3005
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:37,679
to position myself to be where i am
3006
01:46:36,639 --> 01:46:40,719
today
3007
01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:43,920
in terms of the type of work that i do
3008
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:45,600
that is important to me so that's the
3009
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:48,800
dilemma
3010
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:50,400
of pride in self and pride and
3011
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:54,159
background
3012
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:55,280
versus what we have to do to exist in a
3013
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:58,480
society
3014
01:46:55,280 --> 01:47:01,280
that is racist and is always trying to
3015
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:04,239
knock us down
3016
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:08,880
and so that's the dilemma that i think
3017
01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:11,440
we're all struggling with
3018
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:12,400
thank you gay you know it also in
3019
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:15,679
response to
3020
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:17,280
rachel's question i want to add don't
3021
01:47:15,679 --> 01:47:19,440
underestimate
3022
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,960
the kind of the butterfly effect of
3023
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:22,080
small actions and how they can
3024
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:24,000
reverberate and
3025
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,760
exact change and i'm going to give a
3026
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:27,119
tiny example which is
3027
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:28,800
on wednesday night and i mentioned this
3028
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:29,840
the beginning of the event wednesday
3029
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:32,639
night wang yo
3030
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:33,199
our phd student sent me an email that's
3031
01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:35,199
it
3032
01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:36,800
and tonight there's 500 people in a room
3033
01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:40,480
discussing these issues
3034
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:42,400
and who knows what something that gay
3035
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:43,920
said or something that tuhong said or
3036
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,440
something that hong joo said is going to
3037
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:47,040
resonate with one of those listeners and
3038
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:49,360
they're going to impact people
3039
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,239
and their lives and i think that's all
3040
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,600
we can do and
3041
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:53,840
and you never know where it's going to
3042
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,960
go but we we push forward
3043
01:47:53,840 --> 01:48:00,400
and i and i mentioned wang yo because
3044
01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:00,880
she gifted us with a question and so i'm
3045
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:02,320
gonna
3046
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:04,960
and we wouldn't be here without wong yo
3047
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:06,800
so i'm gonna read read juanio's question
3048
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:08,719
thank you so much for your insights as
3049
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:10,400
an international student
3050
01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:11,840
i'd also like to hear more about your
3051
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,440
insights on how to integrate
3052
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,639
international students and other
3053
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:17,040
non-citizens
3054
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:18,480
in the conversations largely discussed
3055
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:20,880
in a domestic setting
3056
01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:22,639
do you have any suggestions what should
3057
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:23,679
we do to have the university and the
3058
01:48:22,639 --> 01:48:26,320
larger system
3059
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:27,600
care and protect about our safety and
3060
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:29,520
basic human rights
3061
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:30,639
in addition in addition to treating us
3062
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,960
as a cash cow
3063
01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:34,880
that provides non-residential tuition
3064
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,560
facing harassment or violence
3065
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:38,800
we often lack the sophisticated
3066
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:39,520
community supportive network in our home
3067
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,679
country
3068
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:42,560
or the education or training about how
3069
01:48:41,679 --> 01:48:45,280
to address
3070
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:46,719
the frustration and speak up in an alien
3071
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:48,639
context
3072
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:50,960
in the issue of prc citizens the new
3073
01:48:48,639 --> 01:48:51,840
cold war threat and visa issues also add
3074
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:55,199
another level
3075
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:58,080
of vulnerability wondering
3076
01:48:55,199 --> 01:48:59,040
maybe touhou or alex who would like to
3077
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:02,239
try to respond to
3078
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:04,320
yo's question um
3079
01:49:02,239 --> 01:49:05,920
well i think you know definitely we have
3080
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,719
to talk about this transnational
3081
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:09,199
dimension
3082
01:49:06,719 --> 01:49:10,639
um that he mentioned earlier and a lot
3083
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:12,800
of the speakers have
3084
01:49:10,639 --> 01:49:15,199
also mentioned as well um not
3085
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:16,960
necessarily the international dimension
3086
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:20,159
but this sort of like you know the
3087
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:23,040
connections um that cuts across
3088
01:49:20,159 --> 01:49:23,679
the um the different geopolitical
3089
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,480
interests
3090
01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:27,280
and the kind of you know historically
3091
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:29,520
formed
3092
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:30,320
racial taxonomies that happens in the
3093
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,560
u.s
3094
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:35,599
so in those kinds of conversations i
3095
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:38,960
think international students will have
3096
01:49:35,599 --> 01:49:41,520
more um contribution to make and
3097
01:49:38,960 --> 01:49:42,080
also to you know from their insights we
3098
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,560
can make
3099
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:46,000
these um connections like across history
3100
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,800
as well right that there's this
3101
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:51,280
long history of racialization through
3102
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:53,520
the colonial periods or even even prior
3103
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:54,400
to the european colonial period there
3104
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:56,719
were like
3105
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:58,239
um different modes of racialization we
3106
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:58,719
can talk about that and then we can talk
3107
01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:00,800
about
3108
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:02,719
like european modes of racialization and
3109
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,599
then the american modes of racialization
3110
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:06,000
after world war
3111
01:50:03,599 --> 01:50:07,800
ii um you know uh taking advantage of
3112
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,920
the discourse of national
3113
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:11,360
self-determination and the promotion of
3114
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:13,840
like nationalism
3115
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:14,480
and how competing nationalisms now in
3116
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,400
asia
3117
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:17,840
you know have an impact on our
3118
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:20,560
communities today
3119
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:21,840
and how then within the community when
3120
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,599
we can talk about
3121
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,360
um you know incidents of white
3122
01:50:23,599 --> 01:50:28,080
supremacist violence
3123
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:29,360
um and so there's like so many points of
3124
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:32,800
connections that
3125
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:33,679
international students can um enlighten
3126
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:35,840
us on
3127
01:50:33,679 --> 01:50:37,599
um and you know we can forge more of
3128
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:38,800
those connections as far as like the
3129
01:50:37,599 --> 01:50:42,000
institutional
3130
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:43,280
practices to make uh international
3131
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:46,480
students needs more
3132
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:49,920
visible i think definitely we need to
3133
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:51,199
to do that and until you know we do away
3134
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,920
with this idea that
3135
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:56,080
the us is somehow the center of the
3136
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:59,280
production of knowledge and other people
3137
01:50:56,080 --> 01:51:02,000
have to come here to learn from us um
3138
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,480
rather than the other way around then
3139
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:05,520
you know
3140
01:51:02,480 --> 01:51:07,440
international students will remain less
3141
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:09,520
than visible and then needs to remain
3142
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:12,320
less than visible within institutions
3143
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,320
like ucla
3144
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:16,880
michael i can chime in a little bit i
3145
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,840
mean i i think it's it's so important to
3146
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:21,119
have the international
3147
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:22,159
students participate actively in campus
3148
01:51:21,119 --> 01:51:24,719
life and in these
3149
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:26,480
difficult discussions you know we had we
3150
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:27,199
had an incident last year at the law
3151
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:30,400
school where
3152
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:31,920
uh one of my colleagues tweeted that uh
3153
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:33,760
he thought he might have gotten covet
3154
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:34,239
from some of the chinese students in his
3155
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:37,440
class
3156
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:39,040
and it caused a whole hubbub that i i
3157
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:40,719
wasn't leading the response to it but i
3158
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:43,520
was pulled into a lot of the
3159
01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:44,000
uh conversations and you know there's no
3160
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:46,480
easy
3161
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:48,080
answer that i i saw that littrell had uh
3162
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:51,840
had referenced that incident
3163
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:54,400
and you know i i can say that you know
3164
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:55,840
when that incident came out i was really
3165
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,480
happy to see that a number of the
3166
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:59,040
chinese
3167
01:51:56,480 --> 01:51:59,520
international students stepped in in
3168
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,520
leader
3169
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:02,560
student leadership roles to participate
3170
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:05,760
in the discussion
3171
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:08,560
and to speak very eloquently about
3172
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:09,119
um how they responded to those comments
3173
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,480
and
3174
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:11,920
in conversa you know small group
3175
01:52:10,480 --> 01:52:13,119
conversations directly with the
3176
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:15,840
professor
3177
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:17,040
um and i was really proud of them of uh
3178
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,440
for speaking out and
3179
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:20,239
and having a voice and one of the things
3180
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:23,199
um
3181
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:25,520
the dean did was to have um you know
3182
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:26,480
someone spoke at the the graduation and
3183
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:30,000
referenced
3184
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:32,400
these issues um and so again you know
3185
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,599
there's no easy answer but it's part of
3186
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:36,960
being uh
3187
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:38,320
part of a community and engaging and
3188
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:39,760
it relates to some of the things that
3189
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,560
other people have said about just trying
3190
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:43,920
to fight
3191
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:46,159
maybe urges just to let something go or
3192
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:47,199
to keep something quiet or for whatever
3193
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:50,320
reason it is
3194
01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:51,920
right and uh you know i
3195
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:54,080
at least at the law school i've seen a
3196
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:57,199
lot of the chinese students
3197
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:58,320
are quite interested in in getting into
3198
01:52:57,199 --> 01:53:00,960
the fray you know i
3199
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:02,480
i have a difficult challenge in teaching
3200
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,599
my classes about chinese law and
3201
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:05,599
politics i'm a
3202
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:07,440
sort of liberal democrat and i have a
3203
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:09,760
lot of criticisms of what the
3204
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:11,599
chinese party is doing yet i also
3205
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:13,360
recognize the historical dynamics the
3206
01:53:11,599 --> 01:53:15,440
colonial dynamics the
3207
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:17,360
way that race plays into discussions
3208
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:19,440
about u.s and china and
3209
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:20,560
hierarchies of who's better and who's
3210
01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:23,360
worse and who's more
3211
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:25,199
primitive and these sorts of things and
3212
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,000
you know it's a difficult discussion i'm
3213
01:53:25,199 --> 01:53:27,760
glad that also
3214
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:29,040
that a number of uh international
3215
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:30,960
chinese students have
3216
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:33,360
gotten into michael have have attended
3217
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:34,480
my class and engaged in those difficult
3218
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,320
discussions
3219
01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:38,000
and that's been incredibly important for
3220
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:40,719
the american students
3221
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:42,320
uh to to learn from that and to hear
3222
01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:44,480
different perspectives that can be
3223
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:46,320
very you know dramatically different
3224
01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:47,040
from what you read in the new york times
3225
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:49,520
or
3226
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:50,960
uh western media and and i think we're
3227
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,880
all the better for
3228
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:54,480
uh grappling with it it's not like any
3229
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:58,239
easy answers emerge from these
3230
01:53:54,480 --> 01:54:00,000
classes but i think we are uh all for
3231
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:01,360
all the better for understanding the
3232
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:04,560
complexities
3233
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:05,679
uh of the situation and and so
3234
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,920
uh you know i don't know if that's a
3235
01:54:05,679 --> 01:54:11,040
satisfying answer but i think you know
3236
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:11,599
you yourself have shown a an initiative
3237
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,920
as mike
3238
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:15,760
as michael mentioned in even you know
3239
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:18,239
being the sort of inspiration for
3240
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:20,239
this event that we have today and so you
3241
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:20,560
know you you've played a tremendous role
3242
01:54:20,239 --> 01:54:24,080
in
3243
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:25,599
in that uh dialogue so just um you know
3244
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:27,599
if we can all sort of learn from that
3245
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:29,760
and keep uh keep doing that and
3246
01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:31,840
keep doing more of that i think that uh
3247
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:35,040
that's part of the answer
3248
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:36,960
thank you we have i'm gonna have a
3249
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,840
double header question for professor kim
3250
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:40,960
if that's okay
3251
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:43,199
um the first part
3252
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:45,280
while the past week month year have
3253
01:54:43,199 --> 01:54:46,239
understandably left our community shaken
3254
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:48,159
and in pain
3255
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:50,239
based on your long time work can you
3256
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:52,480
remind us about the ways we might stay
3257
01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:54,800
focused on the relational histories
3258
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:56,000
of minoritized groups so that we might
3259
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:58,719
resist the urge
3260
01:54:56,000 --> 01:55:00,000
to singularize or de-historicize recent
3261
01:54:58,719 --> 01:55:03,199
events
3262
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:06,639
and a second question from
3263
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:08,159
uh let me say i hope dr clara jean kim
3264
01:55:06,639 --> 01:55:09,920
speaks about her upcoming book that
3265
01:55:08,159 --> 01:55:10,639
reconsiders the way that asian american
3266
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:13,040
history
3267
01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:14,320
has tended to focus on the white asian
3268
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:16,320
binary
3269
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:18,400
but places our experience in the context
3270
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:20,880
of fundamental anti-blackness
3271
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:22,560
could you maybe riff on those two
3272
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:25,760
questions
3273
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:28,800
so thank you for the questions um
3274
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:30,800
yeah the first question the temptation
3275
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,280
is always to singularize as you
3276
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:34,400
mentioned
3277
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:36,239
and to sort of close ranks and circle
3278
01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:37,440
the wagons and talk about what's
3279
01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:40,080
specific about
3280
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:42,320
asian americans experiences and so
3281
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:43,679
that's why my comments i said it's so
3282
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:45,440
important for us to
3283
01:55:43,679 --> 01:55:47,599
always be thinking relationally and
3284
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:50,480
asking you know how does what's
3285
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:52,719
happening to us in terms of violence
3286
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:54,400
relate to the ongoing structural
3287
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:55,599
violence against black people that is
3288
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:59,119
part of
3289
01:55:55,599 --> 01:56:00,960
our inheritance our living inheritance
3290
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:02,480
of being a society that was built upon
3291
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:05,599
slavery so
3292
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:08,960
um i think that the important thing
3293
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:10,560
um is to think about how either
3294
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:12,800
a lot of the stories on asian america
3295
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:16,480
anti-asian violence don't mention
3296
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:18,560
anti-black violence at all or
3297
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,520
they quote asian american leaders and
3298
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:22,000
thinkers saying
3299
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:23,119
well we stand in solidarity with black
3300
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:25,440
people so
3301
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:27,599
i wanted to push the conversation just
3302
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:29,440
one step further than that and i know
3303
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:31,040
this is uncomfortable and it might
3304
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:33,040
actually make people
3305
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,400
you know a little uneasy and i
3306
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:35,119
understand that but i just wanted to
3307
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:37,520
sort of leave
3308
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:39,360
this with you to think about and that is
3309
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:41,119
the question is if it's not it's
3310
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:42,880
is it enough to say we stand in
3311
01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:44,639
solidarity with black people
3312
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:47,040
or is there actually an ethical
3313
01:56:44,639 --> 01:56:47,920
imperative for asian americans to talk
3314
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:50,639
about
3315
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:52,320
the ways in which we are structurally
3316
01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:53,920
advantaged relative to black people i
3317
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:56,800
remember i just i'm finishing up
3318
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:58,239
like a 500 page book that looks back
3319
01:56:56,800 --> 01:57:00,080
this is getting to the second question
3320
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:02,000
at asian american history
3321
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:03,679
through the lens of structural
3322
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:05,360
anti-blackness and says how can we
3323
01:57:03,679 --> 01:57:07,760
re-read asian-american history
3324
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:09,840
in relation to anti-blackness and one of
3325
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:10,400
the things i find you know over and over
3326
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,719
again
3327
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:13,840
is this structural gap between asians
3328
01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:16,080
and black people
3329
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:17,679
that shows up over and over again and
3330
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:19,119
the way that we talk about people of
3331
01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:21,679
color the way that we talk about the
3332
01:57:19,119 --> 01:57:24,880
third world in the 60s
3333
01:57:21,679 --> 01:57:25,599
covers up right that gap so if we look
3334
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:27,679
at that gap
3335
01:57:25,599 --> 01:57:29,440
honestly as asian americans how might
3336
01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:30,560
that shape the way that we are
3337
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:33,199
responding
3338
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:34,560
to anti-asian violence because i think
3339
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:36,320
it's so important
3340
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:38,000
at this moment like i said when it's
3341
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:40,719
sort of the hardest
3342
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:42,400
to think about our relationship to black
3343
01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:44,400
lives matter and beyond black lives
3344
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:48,800
matter to the black freedom struggle
3345
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:51,920
generally thank you
3346
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:53,599
this is a question for kaiser i
3347
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:55,360
concurred with kaiser guo's analysis of
3348
01:57:53,599 --> 01:57:57,360
the psychological groundings
3349
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:58,560
for how americans think about china and
3350
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:00,639
chinese people
3351
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:03,199
acknowledging it is the first step
3352
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:05,199
however we know that in dei training
3353
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:06,320
taking an accusatory tactic does not
3354
01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:08,400
work
3355
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:10,239
how might we help move the americans on
3356
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:11,280
the street and in the elite circles from
3357
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:12,719
being fearful
3358
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:15,760
to being optimistic about the
3359
01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:17,760
multi-polar world and a multicultural us
3360
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:20,000
society
3361
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:21,840
well i'm not i'm not sure what what uh
3362
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:25,360
the training he referred to
3363
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:27,440
uh means but i i do
3364
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:28,400
think that um some level of
3365
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:31,040
confrontation is
3366
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:32,880
unavoidable and necessary i think that
3367
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:36,400
uh
3368
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:39,440
you know look people didn't
3369
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:42,560
uh we we didn't see attitudes
3370
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:45,920
shift dramatically i think this summer
3371
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:48,560
uh toward blm because you know
3372
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:50,400
people were were engaging with with
3373
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,920
their neighbors peaceably and and only
3374
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:54,400
just trying to solicit
3375
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:56,000
empathy i think that there was there was
3376
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:57,679
pretty radical confrontation and i think
3377
01:58:56,000 --> 01:59:00,639
that sometimes necessary
3378
01:58:57,679 --> 01:59:02,080
now um in in this case i really i
3379
01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:04,880
honestly think that um
3380
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:06,400
it's it this isn't this this this lends
3381
01:59:04,880 --> 01:59:07,840
itself to a pretty good solution there
3382
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:11,520
are people
3383
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:14,080
who we can identify uh who
3384
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:15,679
are the per the influencers when it
3385
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,880
comes to how the united states thinks
3386
01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:18,320
about its relationship
3387
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:20,159
with other countries especially with
3388
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:21,599
china and uh
3389
01:59:20,159 --> 01:59:23,360
i think those are the people that need
3390
01:59:21,599 --> 01:59:27,040
simply to be worked on
3391
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:29,360
uh to be and then the really kind of
3392
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:31,520
the perpetrators the people who are
3393
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:31,920
carrying water for the matt pottingers
3394
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:33,840
and
3395
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:35,679
the mike pompeos of the world who are
3396
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:39,199
actually publishing books for example
3397
01:59:35,679 --> 01:59:42,080
based on that you know to to who have
3398
01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:43,280
actively spread uh you know columnists
3399
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:47,760
for for example
3400
01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:50,480
a uh newspaper that that um
3401
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:51,199
whose name not rhymes with squashing fun
3402
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:54,400
post
3403
01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:58,320
or something like that uh they
3404
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:58,960
are absolutely guilty of spreading this
3405
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:01,679
kind of
3406
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:03,119
stuff and i i think i'm not above i want
3407
02:00:01,679 --> 02:00:04,880
to de-platform these people i want to
3408
02:00:03,119 --> 02:00:07,840
call them out i want to make them face
3409
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,159
their complicity in in what's happened
3410
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:10,840
uh
3411
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:12,000
i don't i don't buy the idea that
3412
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:15,360
confrontation
3413
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:18,000
uh and you know an accusatory tone
3414
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:18,000
doesn't work
3415
02:00:18,639 --> 02:00:26,400
thank you i see we have actually moved
3416
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:29,599
past our original end time already
3417
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:31,199
but we still have 340 people in the room
3418
02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:33,520
and a lot of questions
3419
02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:36,000
if any of our speakers need to leave of
3420
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:37,840
course you're welcome to sneak out
3421
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:39,520
but if you don't mind i think we'll
3422
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:39,760
answer a few more questions if everyone
3423
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:42,880
is
3424
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:46,960
agreeable to that and so
3425
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:49,679
uh this is one for doctor yuen
3426
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:51,119
i'm glad you mentioned about self-hatred
3427
02:00:49,679 --> 02:00:53,040
i think the hardest thing
3428
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:55,040
is to face your own prejudice from being
3429
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:57,119
asian i started to come
3430
02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:58,239
to this kind of a face after a long time
3431
02:00:57,119 --> 02:01:00,719
of avoiding it
3432
02:00:58,239 --> 02:01:02,560
i appreciate any advice you have for me
3433
02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:08,639
in overcoming the self-hatred
3434
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:11,520
and celebrating our heritage
3435
02:01:08,639 --> 02:01:11,520
you're muted i think
3436
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:18,480
that's going to be the a phrase that
3437
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:23,840
grows out of this pandemic
3438
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:23,840
is you're muted
3439
02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:31,199
you know in education we talk a lot
3440
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:34,320
about positive reinforcement
3441
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:38,080
and and how
3442
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:40,880
we need to look at the affect of growth
3443
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:41,760
in addition to cognitive growth whether
3444
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:46,080
it's a child
3445
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:49,760
or a human being of any age
3446
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:51,679
and when society out there continues to
3447
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:55,599
negatively reinforce
3448
02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:59,199
who you are what you look like
3449
02:01:55,599 --> 02:02:03,199
um how you speak
3450
02:01:59,199 --> 02:02:07,920
and even what you eat right
3451
02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:11,199
when this constant negative negativism
3452
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:14,760
keeps bombarding you
3453
02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:18,239
from infancy to
3454
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:20,800
adulthood you can't help but hate
3455
02:02:18,239 --> 02:02:20,800
yourself
3456
02:02:21,119 --> 02:02:28,560
um i still remember before my
3457
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:31,679
awakening at ucla
3458
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:35,520
it's hard enough to be a teenager
3459
02:02:31,679 --> 02:02:37,599
right with peer pressure
3460
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:40,239
you want to dress like everybody else
3461
02:02:37,599 --> 02:02:43,280
look like everybody else
3462
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:44,719
and i'm a very frank disclosing person
3463
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:48,080
so i'm gonna say
3464
02:02:44,719 --> 02:02:53,599
i went to high school in a jewish
3465
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:53,599
all-white area in in in las vegas
3466
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:57,119
i remember excuse me gentlemen i
3467
02:02:56,480 --> 02:03:00,400
remember
3468
02:02:57,119 --> 02:03:04,000
stuffing tissue in my bra
3469
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:06,400
and using cutting up tape scotch tape to
3470
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,960
put on my eyelids so i would have that
3471
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:09,920
double
3472
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:09,920
eyelid look
3473
02:03:10,239 --> 02:03:14,400
just so i would be beautiful because
3474
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:18,159
beauty
3475
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:21,360
was defined by what i saw
3476
02:03:18,159 --> 02:03:22,159
on tv and what i saw in magazines and
3477
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:24,719
what i saw
3478
02:03:22,159 --> 02:03:24,719
in books
3479
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:33,280
when i became a teacher i purposefully
3480
02:03:29,679 --> 02:03:34,000
tried to be inclusive of what my
3481
02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:38,560
students
3482
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:42,159
heard and what my students saw
3483
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:45,679
to the very simple aspect of
3484
02:03:42,159 --> 02:03:48,400
what we eat and what was taught to us
3485
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:51,040
in the fruit groups remember the fruit
3486
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:54,079
groups now it's a pyramid right
3487
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:56,239
but in my days i remember being
3488
02:03:54,079 --> 02:03:58,480
six years old seven years old being
3489
02:03:56,239 --> 02:04:01,360
taught food groups
3490
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:01,840
and it and in those days there was dairy
3491
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:06,719
meat
3492
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:06,719
vegetables and sugar right
3493
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:13,040
and so milk well we didn't drink milk at
3494
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:13,040
home
3495
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:20,239
and then the meat was
3496
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:25,119
hamburgers hot dogs and and
3497
02:04:20,239 --> 02:04:28,719
steak the vegetables
3498
02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:33,679
were iceberg lettuce
3499
02:04:28,719 --> 02:04:33,679
corn and peas
3500
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:38,800
i didn't eat that stuff and the story i
3501
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:41,760
tell
3502
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:43,119
is i'm sure i had a wonderful teacher
3503
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:44,079
and in those days we didn't have
3504
02:04:43,119 --> 02:04:47,760
styrofoam
3505
02:04:44,079 --> 02:04:50,880
okay so for homework the teacher gave
3506
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:53,360
each of us a paper plate
3507
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:56,079
and and as a teacher i think that was a
3508
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:59,199
wonderful creative assignment
3509
02:04:56,079 --> 02:05:04,079
we took our paper plate home
3510
02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:08,639
and the assignment was to draw
3511
02:05:04,079 --> 02:05:08,639
our dinner on the plate
3512
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:16,480
i went home good chinese girl i always
3513
02:05:13,679 --> 02:05:18,400
did my homework
3514
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:19,599
sat down on the dinner table with
3515
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:22,159
grandma grandpa
3516
02:05:19,599 --> 02:05:25,360
mom and dad i was an only child you can
3517
02:05:22,159 --> 02:05:25,360
tell i'm an only child
3518
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:29,599
and i looked at my plate and i looked at
3519
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:33,599
our place settings
3520
02:05:29,599 --> 02:05:34,000
how do we eat a bowl of rice in front of
3521
02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:37,040
us with
3522
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:41,280
chopsticks and then
3523
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:41,280
the communal plates of dishes
3524
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:49,119
well gosh not only were we weird
3525
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:51,280
we don't even eat correctly
3526
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:52,239
so i took my my bowl of rice and i
3527
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:54,480
dumped it on the
3528
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:55,920
on a i went to the kitchen got a platter
3529
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:58,960
that was the biggest thing that looked
3530
02:05:55,920 --> 02:06:02,000
like a plate i dumped it on the platter
3531
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:05,040
i took the broccoli and beef or whatever
3532
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:05,280
it was and i dumped it on my platter and
3533
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:10,560
i
3534
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:10,560
separated the vegetables from the meat
3535
02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:16,000
and i never sat down at the dinner table
3536
02:06:13,599 --> 02:06:19,360
to eat with my parents again for
3537
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:23,760
three years i was so
3538
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:26,960
ashamed that we did not eat correctly
3539
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:30,159
right that is heartbreaking i
3540
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:32,079
cry every time i tell that story but the
3541
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:34,480
point of the story is
3542
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:35,760
when i got that teaching credential from
3543
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:38,000
ucla
3544
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:40,560
and when i became a first grade teacher
3545
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:42,880
at the same elementary school that i got
3546
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:46,400
slapped in the face
3547
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:48,320
with okay i made sure every time i
3548
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:52,239
taught the food groups
3549
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:55,920
i included tofu i included bok choy
3550
02:06:52,239 --> 02:06:57,760
i included tortillas because we had a
3551
02:06:55,920 --> 02:07:01,520
mix
3552
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:05,520
latin uh group there
3553
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:10,320
we need to be included and we need
3554
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:10,320
to teach that we are beautiful
3555
02:07:10,639 --> 02:07:15,040
and and that's why i believe so much in
3556
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:18,079
education
3557
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:21,360
because i believe and
3558
02:07:18,079 --> 02:07:27,520
and just that little thing can make such
3559
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:30,880
a big difference
3560
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:35,199
thank you gay uh hyungju did you want to
3561
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:38,320
add to this two short things
3562
02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:39,840
one is that you're already and i can't
3563
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:41,679
i can't find the original question what
3564
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:44,000
was the name of the person who asked the
3565
02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:44,000
question
3566
02:07:45,119 --> 02:07:48,159
but for the person for the person who
3567
02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:50,560
asked the question
3568
02:07:48,159 --> 02:07:52,320
um you're already taking the first step
3569
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:56,320
which is
3570
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:57,760
just to see the impact on on your life
3571
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:59,760
right and to see the pain that it's
3572
02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:02,880
causing in your life and
3573
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:06,159
i mean and oh reina thank you um
3574
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:09,599
and i think for me when i actually
3575
02:08:06,159 --> 02:08:14,079
saw the the impact of
3576
02:08:09,599 --> 02:08:16,079
the just the self-hatred and the shame
3577
02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:18,719
right there was a point at which there
3578
02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:22,800
was something inside me that just said
3579
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:23,360
no i i'm not gonna look like this this
3580
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:26,239
isn't
3581
02:08:23,360 --> 02:08:27,840
okay and so part of it is just
3582
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:31,119
connecting with that part of yourself
3583
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:34,840
that knows this is not okay
3584
02:08:31,119 --> 02:08:36,079
this is not how i meant to be in the
3585
02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:38,560
world
3586
02:08:36,079 --> 02:08:39,920
and what i would also say is just
3587
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:43,040
surround yourself
3588
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:44,079
surround yourself with people and with
3589
02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:47,280
resources
3590
02:08:44,079 --> 02:08:49,920
and with anything that just that just
3591
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:50,480
connects you and reminds you of your own
3592
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:53,679
beauty
3593
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:53,679
and your own worth
3594
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:57,040
and it doesn't even just have to be from
3595
02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:58,639
the asian american community some of the
3596
02:08:57,040 --> 02:09:01,280
most inspiring sources
3597
02:08:58,639 --> 02:09:02,320
for me have been from black women right
3598
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:03,840
i mean other
3599
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:05,840
other people who've gone through the
3600
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:08,079
same journeys that we have
3601
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:11,360
just surround yourself like change your
3602
02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:11,360
sense of what reality is
3603
02:09:12,480 --> 02:09:17,599
thank you thank you um in the room we've
3604
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:18,079
got quite a few lawyers or former
3605
02:09:17,599 --> 02:09:19,520
lawyers
3606
02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:21,440
and law school professors and we have a
3607
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:23,840
few questions for
3608
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:25,199
this group so one of them is from bai
3609
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:26,639
ching zhang
3610
02:09:25,199 --> 02:09:28,800
thank you for the talks for professor
3611
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:30,880
karen wong and alex wong other than law
3612
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:32,560
enforcement and policy makers
3613
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:34,000
what other channels can be used to
3614
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:37,679
address hate crime and
3615
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:41,040
incidents verbal and other forms of hurt
3616
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:42,639
and a question from susan lee writes
3617
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:44,639
directed to the lawyers or anyone who
3618
02:09:42,639 --> 02:09:46,639
can answer this is there a way to change
3619
02:09:44,639 --> 02:09:48,880
our criminal justice system
3620
02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:49,679
so that it will recognize violence when
3621
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:52,400
it is
3622
02:09:49,679 --> 02:09:53,199
intersectional it hurts not to have this
3623
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:54,719
acknowledgement
3624
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:56,400
and not to have a criminal justice
3625
02:09:54,719 --> 02:09:58,159
system that is fair
3626
02:09:56,400 --> 02:10:00,079
what they say publicly in many ways
3627
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:03,199
perpetuates all of the problems we were
3628
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:03,199
talking about this evening
3629
02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:08,639
karen do you want to start aaron you
3630
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,639
want to take
3631
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:13,280
all right i feel like i'm being tagged
3632
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:13,280
here by everyone okay
3633
02:10:14,960 --> 02:10:18,079
so couple pieces i think the first
3634
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:21,119
question was around
3635
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:22,880
um you know how to how to
3636
02:10:21,119 --> 02:10:25,040
uh address hate crimes and hate
3637
02:10:22,880 --> 02:10:26,800
incidents i mean i i guess i would go
3638
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:29,199
back to what i said earlier which is
3639
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:30,719
i absolutely think that incidents that
3640
02:10:29,199 --> 02:10:31,920
happen whether or not they're rise to
3641
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:33,440
the level of crime
3642
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:35,119
i think especially if they don't need to
3643
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:36,719
be reported to the community groups that
3644
02:10:35,119 --> 02:10:39,520
are actively monitoring
3645
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:40,480
um it's you know it's there's not a one
3646
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:42,000
centralized
3647
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:43,599
source and i can drop it again but
3648
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:44,960
there's at least two groups actively
3649
02:10:43,599 --> 02:10:47,040
collecting one is
3650
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:48,400
the stan against hatred website um which
3651
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:50,079
launched in 2017
3652
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:51,440
and then stopped aapi hate which
3653
02:10:50,079 --> 02:10:53,440
launched last year
3654
02:10:51,440 --> 02:10:56,320
um but both are collecting anecdotes
3655
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:58,560
they actually take reports in non-uh
3656
02:10:56,320 --> 02:11:00,560
non-english languages so you can do it
3657
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:03,040
in a number of asian languages
3658
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:04,560
for first-generation immigrants and i
3659
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:06,480
think just reporting it really you know
3660
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:08,000
helps to validate the experience of the
3661
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:09,679
people who suffer the trauma
3662
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:11,920
that helps community advocates and
3663
02:11:09,679 --> 02:11:13,440
activists gather the data to be able to
3664
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:16,960
make the case for
3665
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:18,320
um different types of responses um
3666
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:20,960
i mean i think we're still in a system
3667
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:22,000
where you know the what if someone is is
3668
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:24,320
you know harmed
3669
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:25,920
um or suffers significant property
3670
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:27,119
damage and wants to report it's a crime
3671
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:28,960
and that's when
3672
02:11:27,119 --> 02:11:31,040
to report it to law enforcement it's
3673
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:34,239
just you know it's
3674
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:35,760
you know the anthony quinto case uh
3675
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:37,520
out of northern california where the
3676
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:38,800
filipino man was killed by the police
3677
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:40,079
who his parents called when he was
3678
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:42,320
having a mental health
3679
02:11:40,079 --> 02:11:44,159
crisis i think is a cautionary tale for
3680
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:45,679
us i think as a community as immigrants
3681
02:11:44,159 --> 02:11:47,520
we kind of taught not to rock the boat
3682
02:11:45,679 --> 02:11:49,679
and trust the police and
3683
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:51,040
you know the police are is part of a
3684
02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:52,000
larger institution that is not
3685
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:54,480
necessarily here
3686
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:55,360
to protect and and preserve us unless it
3687
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:57,360
benefits
3688
02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:59,440
those in power uh which tend to be those
3689
02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:01,679
who are white not not people like us
3690
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:03,679
um so i mean my main point is is that if
3691
02:12:01,679 --> 02:12:05,119
something happens particularly the
3692
02:12:03,679 --> 02:12:06,639
hate incidents that many people are
3693
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:08,320
experiencing on a daily basis those
3694
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:08,800
should be reported because until people
3695
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:11,440
do
3696
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:12,000
we're not able to speak up and demand
3697
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:14,400
changes
3698
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:16,159
um either in policing or even in media
3699
02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:17,679
coverage right
3700
02:12:16,159 --> 02:12:19,280
so that's one piece i think on the
3701
02:12:17,679 --> 02:12:21,760
intersectional
3702
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:23,040
piece i mean honestly the issue is
3703
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:25,040
probably not so much with data
3704
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:26,960
collection i think the forms can collect
3705
02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:28,880
data on the fact that it's a crime
3706
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:29,679
that's motivated by more than one thing
3707
02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:31,920
i mean that
3708
02:12:29,679 --> 02:12:32,800
that that's to me not the issue it's the
3709
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:34,719
issue that
3710
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:36,719
as a society other than the people who
3711
02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:38,400
embrace things like critical race theory
3712
02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:41,119
a lot of people just don't believe that
3713
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:41,599
we can exist at intersections right so
3714
02:12:41,119 --> 02:12:44,320
if you're
3715
02:12:41,599 --> 02:12:46,000
a woman um then you're experiencing you
3716
02:12:44,320 --> 02:12:46,880
know gender issues but if you're an
3717
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:48,880
asian woman
3718
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:50,079
you know you're either experiencing
3719
02:12:48,880 --> 02:12:52,000
asian or gender
3720
02:12:50,079 --> 02:12:53,360
or sex related issues it's hard for
3721
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:54,639
people to grasp it could be both and
3722
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:56,880
this is the same for folks
3723
02:12:54,639 --> 02:12:58,639
who identify as queer for example i
3724
02:12:56,880 --> 02:13:00,719
think anti-gay
3725
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:02,560
crimes against people of color also have
3726
02:13:00,719 --> 02:13:05,280
the same problem where they're not
3727
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:07,040
categorized usually correctly as both um
3728
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:09,040
so i think it's a larger institutional
3729
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:11,599
piece of training those who
3730
02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:12,560
are responsible for collecting data for
3731
02:13:11,599 --> 02:13:14,320
um
3732
02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:15,760
you know for for for dealing with these
3733
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:17,599
issues as opposed to
3734
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,960
something as simple as you know how do
3735
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:20,960
we collect the data
3736
02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:22,560
so these go to larger issues we've been
3737
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:23,440
talking about all night about education
3738
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:25,760
about
3739
02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:26,639
changing how we think about things
3740
02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:29,119
versus
3741
02:13:26,639 --> 02:13:30,800
kind of simpler solutions such as can we
3742
02:13:29,119 --> 02:13:32,480
change a form or can we mandate the
3743
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:34,320
police do x and y
3744
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:35,599
i'm not sure i have actually answered
3745
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:36,800
the question and i actually
3746
02:13:35,599 --> 02:13:38,480
feel like i spoke about this in my
3747
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:39,119
comments so we'd welcome hearing from
3748
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:45,840
others
3749
02:13:39,119 --> 02:13:45,840
on the panel
3750
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:52,320
alex yeah i don't know if i really have
3751
02:13:50,159 --> 02:13:54,560
anything to add to that i mean i i'm
3752
02:13:52,320 --> 02:13:55,679
you know not a criminal law specialist
3753
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:57,440
but you know
3754
02:13:55,679 --> 02:13:59,040
even though i'm in the law school i do
3755
02:13:57,440 --> 02:14:00,480
feel like
3756
02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:02,079
on the criminal side you know karen's
3757
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:03,199
highlighted very well some of the
3758
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:04,960
you know the shortcomings of the
3759
02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:06,880
criminal law system and also the
3760
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:09,599
shifting attitudes towards
3761
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:12,719
criminalization of things and so you
3762
02:14:09,599 --> 02:14:16,000
know it makes me want to
3763
02:14:12,719 --> 02:14:17,840
highlight the the non-legal methods of
3764
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:20,079
addressing this shining a light on
3765
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:23,119
things making sure we build community
3766
02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:25,119
and and work to sort of
3767
02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:27,840
fight against this in informal ways as
3768
02:14:25,119 --> 02:14:27,840
well so
3769
02:14:29,360 --> 02:14:32,960
thank you anyone else
3770
02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:36,880
okay but we'll maybe we'll take another
3771
02:14:35,119 --> 02:14:37,920
10 minutes or so and then start to wrap
3772
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:41,040
up does that sound like a
3773
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:42,560
good plan panelists so this is a
3774
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:43,280
question from ashley i'm a second
3775
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:45,840
generation
3776
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:47,520
chinese canadian i graduated from ucla
3777
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:49,440
in 2020. my question is
3778
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:52,239
are there any sources that can help me
3779
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:55,280
understand how anti-asian racism
3780
02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:57,119
exists at an everyday level i read kathy
3781
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:59,119
parkholm's minor feelings
3782
02:14:57,119 --> 02:15:01,360
and i think was the first time i started
3783
02:14:59,119 --> 02:15:02,719
seeing how racism doesn't have to be as
3784
02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:05,599
explicit as a racial
3785
02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:07,520
racial slur to be considered racism i
3786
02:15:05,599 --> 02:15:09,679
think having more everyday examples
3787
02:15:07,520 --> 02:15:11,679
would really help me show that my to my
3788
02:15:09,679 --> 02:15:13,679
canadian loved ones that anti-asian
3789
02:15:11,679 --> 02:15:15,599
racism isn't a thing of the past
3790
02:15:13,679 --> 02:15:16,880
and it isn't just an american issue
3791
02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:18,880
perhaps it's because my friends are
3792
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:19,599
middle class chinese from a country
3793
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:22,719
canada
3794
02:15:19,599 --> 02:15:25,040
that explicitly promotes multicultural
3795
02:15:22,719 --> 02:15:26,159
and or from a city like vancouver where
3796
02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:28,079
many asians
3797
02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:29,599
but some of my where there are many
3798
02:15:28,079 --> 02:15:31,520
asians but some of my asian loved ones
3799
02:15:29,599 --> 02:15:36,239
seem to question the existence
3800
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:39,440
of anti-asian racism today
3801
02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:41,840
who would like to address ashley's
3802
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:41,840
question
3803
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:53,199
he went to home
3804
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:54,480
or maybe our students tiffany mariana do
3805
02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:56,239
you have anything what would you say to
3806
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:58,000
ashley
3807
02:15:56,239 --> 02:15:59,520
um i can just add really quickly kind of
3808
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:00,719
like what i was saying in the beginning
3809
02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:02,719
but just about how
3810
02:16:00,719 --> 02:16:04,079
this is more about just how commonplace
3811
02:16:02,719 --> 02:16:07,199
it is there may be people you talk
3812
02:16:04,079 --> 02:16:08,639
to personally but um i've studied this
3813
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:10,000
before in high school and other college
3814
02:16:08,639 --> 02:16:12,800
classes but there was a really
3815
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:14,159
um good instagram post actually i think
3816
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:15,520
i'm kind of critical of social media
3817
02:16:14,159 --> 02:16:16,960
sometimes but i think it's actually a
3818
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:18,079
really helpful tool when it's used
3819
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:20,480
correctly so i can put
3820
02:16:18,079 --> 02:16:21,920
the username in the chat later but um
3821
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:25,119
this account pretty much
3822
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:26,960
really efficiently broke down just how
3823
02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:28,239
harmfully hollywood specifically but
3824
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:30,880
other film companies too
3825
02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:31,679
portray asian americans and asian people
3826
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:32,880
and i think
3827
02:16:31,679 --> 02:16:34,399
people don't realize how deeply
3828
02:16:32,880 --> 02:16:35,439
ingrained it is and i just walked
3829
02:16:34,399 --> 02:16:36,399
through some of the examples pretty
3830
02:16:35,439 --> 02:16:38,800
quickly but
3831
02:16:36,399 --> 02:16:40,080
one of my least favorite i think one of
3832
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:42,559
the most harmful
3833
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:43,280
stereotypes ever is a full metal jacket
3834
02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:45,599
and the whole
3835
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:48,880
me of you long time me so horny and that
3836
02:16:45,599 --> 02:16:50,719
one i think is so deeply ingrained that
3837
02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:52,880
i would say like maybe bi-weekly i see a
3838
02:16:50,719 --> 02:16:54,240
non-asian person with good intentions i
3839
02:16:52,880 --> 02:16:55,599
don't i don't think that all that they
3840
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:57,439
even knew where it came from i think
3841
02:16:55,599 --> 02:16:58,240
it's just so deeply embedded in u.s
3842
02:16:57,439 --> 02:16:59,760
society
3843
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:00,880
that they just say love you long time or
3844
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:01,519
love you long time when someone's
3845
02:17:00,880 --> 02:17:04,399
birthday or
3846
02:17:01,519 --> 02:17:05,760
they're shouting someone out and it the
3847
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:07,120
scary part is they're not
3848
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:09,200
saying it to be racist and they probably
3849
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:09,519
didn't even see the film but it's just
3850
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:11,599
so
3851
02:17:09,519 --> 02:17:12,559
into our lexicon is the way we talk in
3852
02:17:11,599 --> 02:17:15,040
the us
3853
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:16,559
that it represents just how commonplace
3854
02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:18,319
it is and how casual it is and how
3855
02:17:16,559 --> 02:17:19,439
flippant some of these harmful comments
3856
02:17:18,319 --> 02:17:21,439
and stereotypes
3857
02:17:19,439 --> 02:17:23,359
can be made that have real repercussions
3858
02:17:21,439 --> 02:17:25,200
like look at the shooting of these asian
3859
02:17:23,359 --> 02:17:26,319
women and how they were hypersexualized
3860
02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:28,240
and objectified
3861
02:17:26,319 --> 02:17:30,160
and not seen as complex human beings
3862
02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:31,840
with their own emotions so i think
3863
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:33,920
it could seem trivial on surface level
3864
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:35,040
to look at maybe like pop culture
3865
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:36,319
instead of
3866
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:37,840
i don't know something in real life with
3867
02:17:36,319 --> 02:17:39,439
people you talk to her personally but
3868
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:40,880
just examples like that i mean
3869
02:17:39,439 --> 02:17:43,439
even going back to piccadilly with anna
3870
02:17:40,880 --> 02:17:45,679
anime wong in in 1929
3871
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:46,880
this goes back almost a century in
3872
02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:49,200
hollywood film
3873
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:50,880
of just not only asian women being
3874
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:52,080
sexualized but also seen in the same
3875
02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:54,639
thing with mean girls too
3876
02:17:52,080 --> 02:17:55,280
just disposable sex objects and home
3877
02:17:54,639 --> 02:17:57,359
wreckers
3878
02:17:55,280 --> 02:17:59,679
and causing harm and disruption to the
3879
02:17:57,359 --> 02:18:02,800
plot rather than furthering it along
3880
02:17:59,679 --> 02:18:04,880
or um austin powers of checking off
3881
02:18:02,800 --> 02:18:06,559
japanese twins threesomes as just
3882
02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:08,800
sexualizing like a bucket list
3883
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:10,240
um there's a lot of movies that do that
3884
02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:12,319
one um
3885
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:14,080
and amy schumer too and kung fu vagina
3886
02:18:12,319 --> 02:18:16,479
and things like that that just reduce
3887
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:18,160
asian women to the size of their
3888
02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:20,559
genitalia and it's just very
3889
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:22,160
it's just really harmful so i think even
3890
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:23,679
looking places like that and a lot of
3891
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:25,040
those movies too i have a conflicting
3892
02:18:23,679 --> 02:18:26,800
relationship because
3893
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:28,719
i like them for their cinematic aspects
3894
02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:29,920
or for their storytelling or what it was
3895
02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:31,519
in my childhood
3896
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:33,439
but i can also at the same time critique
3897
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:35,200
it and see what it's perpetuating
3898
02:18:33,439 --> 02:18:37,040
and some of them it's easy to say oh
3899
02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:38,880
that was in the 1920s that was so long
3900
02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:40,399
ago we're more evolved now
3901
02:18:38,880 --> 02:18:42,080
but i feel like even things like amy
3902
02:18:40,399 --> 02:18:45,120
schumer's routine are um
3903
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:45,760
mean girls are so recent and so maybe
3904
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:48,240
under
3905
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:49,760
evaluated that i think that offers a
3906
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:50,080
really interesting place to look and
3907
02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:52,319
it's
3908
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:53,840
um it means they're on the screen so i
3909
02:18:52,319 --> 02:18:57,280
feel like that's a good place to analyze
3910
02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:57,280
for just how commonplace it is
3911
02:18:58,639 --> 02:19:02,639
would anyone else like to add to that
3912
02:19:05,439 --> 02:19:08,479
if not there are a lot more questions
3913
02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:10,000
but
3914
02:19:08,479 --> 02:19:11,920
the questions will we'll never answer
3915
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:13,280
all of them right and we'll never solve
3916
02:19:11,920 --> 02:19:15,679
this problem in one
3917
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:16,559
place uh this is part of an ongoing
3918
02:19:15,679 --> 02:19:19,439
conversation
3919
02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:20,240
and i'm so thankful that we had the
3920
02:19:19,439 --> 02:19:21,920
conversation
3921
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:24,000
and we hopefully will this is just the
3922
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:25,439
tip of the iceberg we'll continue this
3923
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:28,080
i'm sure on campus there will be more
3924
02:19:25,439 --> 02:19:30,639
events more dialogues
3925
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:32,639
and i'm sure all of us will keep taking
3926
02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:34,319
actions in our everyday lives to try to
3927
02:19:32,639 --> 02:19:37,599
change the temperature
3928
02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:39,760
and change how things are
3929
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:40,960
i'd like to close by maybe going around
3930
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:44,960
the room
3931
02:19:40,960 --> 02:19:49,840
and i i know i asked everybody i think
3932
02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:49,840
some of you did that presentation
3933
02:19:59,280 --> 02:20:04,479
you're frozen michael i don't know if
3934
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:04,479
you
3935
02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:16,000
we we lost michael uh he had asked me to
3936
02:20:14,399 --> 02:20:18,160
be a backup moderator
3937
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:19,760
in case this happened so we made it
3938
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:21,359
through almost the entire
3939
02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:23,040
time without this happening so it
3940
02:20:21,359 --> 02:20:23,760
sounded like he was going to ask us to
3941
02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:25,600
all
3942
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:27,040
make a closing statement i don't know if
3943
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:27,680
he had anything in particular in mind
3944
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:30,240
but
3945
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:32,240
maybe just uh everyone give some thought
3946
02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:35,520
for maybe a 30 seconds
3947
02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:39,680
uh of something that you might uh say to
3948
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:42,319
to wrap things up uh at the end
3949
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:44,080
michael can you can you hear us again
3950
02:20:42,319 --> 02:20:46,560
back so i'll just say it quickly
3951
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:48,560
um i was hoping to close by going around
3952
02:20:46,560 --> 02:20:51,760
the room and having everybody
3953
02:20:48,560 --> 02:20:54,960
share maybe a word a sentence an action
3954
02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:56,399
but some way forward uh it was less than
3955
02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:59,840
30 seconds i i thought you were going to
3956
02:20:56,399 --> 02:20:59,840
say 30 seconds
3957
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:05,359
word or a sentence yeah but if everybody
3958
02:21:04,640 --> 02:21:08,800
could share
3959
02:21:05,359 --> 02:21:09,359
uh some experience or advice basically
3960
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:10,640
it's
3961
02:21:09,359 --> 02:21:12,080
i think a lot of people are hurting
3962
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:14,080
right now and a lot of people are in a
3963
02:21:12,080 --> 02:21:16,240
dark place and whatever gift
3964
02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:17,600
you can give them in words to close the
3965
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:19,200
evening with a little bit of light a
3966
02:21:17,600 --> 02:21:22,160
little bit of brightness
3967
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:22,479
uh i think everyone will appreciate that
3968
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:26,560
i
3969
02:21:22,479 --> 02:21:28,800
know i have i do have something bright
3970
02:21:26,560 --> 02:21:29,920
uh there's a book i highly recommend
3971
02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:32,880
it's written by
3972
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:34,160
uh the former china director at the
3973
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:35,920
national security council
3974
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:38,000
during the second obama administration
3975
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:39,840
he is a true match
3976
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:42,120
somebody who was a career foreign
3977
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:45,920
service officer his name is ryan hass
3978
02:21:42,120 --> 02:21:49,120
h-a-s-s his book is called stronger
3979
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:50,720
uh and it it's it's about recalibrating
3980
02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:52,479
u.s china relations in an age of
3981
02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:54,640
competitive interdependence
3982
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:56,399
there it is right there i cannot
3983
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:59,280
recommend this book more highly
3984
02:21:56,399 --> 02:21:59,680
it will actually give you give you hope
3985
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:02,720
uh
3986
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:03,920
that that it is possible to navigate
3987
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:04,960
what looks like an impossible
3988
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:08,560
relationship
3989
02:22:04,960 --> 02:22:11,280
and that will re rebound to
3990
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:14,479
relations in the united states between
3991
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:14,479
asian americans and others
3992
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:20,000
yeah okay
3993
02:22:20,399 --> 02:22:23,760
i think we have to keep reminding
3994
02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:27,280
ourselves that
3995
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:32,880
our stories are important
3996
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:32,880
and i i go back to that
3997
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:39,680
modesty that's ingrained in us
3998
02:22:36,160 --> 02:22:41,040
and i actually came onto this panel with
3999
02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:44,319
a lot of fear
4000
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:47,040
because i was just texting my friend i
4001
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:49,120
go oh my god these are all scholars and
4002
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:52,080
they're writers and they publish
4003
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:52,800
so many books and they speak so well and
4004
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:56,319
they're so
4005
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:59,520
important and they're so articulate
4006
02:22:56,319 --> 02:22:59,920
and we need to take a big breath and say
4007
02:22:59,520 --> 02:23:02,560
well
4008
02:22:59,920 --> 02:23:05,120
my story is important too and if i don't
4009
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:07,120
tell it no one's gonna hear it
4010
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:09,120
so i'm gonna have to share it so i think
4011
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:10,240
each of us will have to share our
4012
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:14,479
stories
4013
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:14,479
because our stories will make an impact
4014
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:19,840
thank you karen
4015
02:23:22,319 --> 02:23:28,560
so i've been reading a ton of
4016
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:30,399
just um thought pieces i think mostly
4017
02:23:28,560 --> 02:23:33,120
from asian americans this past
4018
02:23:30,399 --> 02:23:34,240
week really just the last few days um
4019
02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:36,399
and a couple of
4020
02:23:34,240 --> 02:23:37,840
the comments that really stood out to me
4021
02:23:36,399 --> 02:23:39,040
uh one is from
4022
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:41,120
i don't know actually know this person i
4023
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:44,399
think uh she might be a professor
4024
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:45,280
um he uh he kyung kang at seattle
4025
02:23:44,399 --> 02:23:47,280
university
4026
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:48,560
uh in op-ed and seattle times there was
4027
02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:50,000
a sentence that stood out to me that
4028
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:52,800
said the most potent weapon of
4029
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:54,880
anti-aging racism is erasure
4030
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:56,800
of our voice our presence our humanity
4031
02:23:54,880 --> 02:23:57,680
it shouldn't take a mass murder to take
4032
02:23:56,800 --> 02:24:00,399
notice
4033
02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:02,240
and i guess um to turn pivoted because
4034
02:24:00,399 --> 02:24:03,840
you asked us to close on an uplifting
4035
02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:06,080
note uh michael is
4036
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:07,680
you know i mean that is you know what
4037
02:24:06,080 --> 02:24:08,720
happened happened already this week on
4038
02:24:07,680 --> 02:24:11,200
tuesday and
4039
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:11,760
um we lost you know eight lives six or
4040
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:14,880
asian
4041
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:17,920
uh of american women and um
4042
02:24:14,880 --> 02:24:19,520
we need to make sure that we um you know
4043
02:24:17,920 --> 02:24:21,840
use this moment to
4044
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:22,880
really kind of become less uh invisible
4045
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:26,560
i think kathy
4046
02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:27,760
park hong um another uh writer um also
4047
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:29,520
wrote recently i think this
4048
02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:31,280
theme of invisibility keeps coming up
4049
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:33,120
amongst a lot of asian american
4050
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:34,479
uh writers who've been who've been you
4051
02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:36,399
know saying you know
4052
02:24:34,479 --> 02:24:37,920
we suddenly feel seen even if it's just
4053
02:24:36,399 --> 02:24:39,840
for a moment and so
4054
02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:40,960
i do think we both need to use it to
4055
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,399
lift up
4056
02:24:40,960 --> 02:24:44,240
sort of the pain and the trauma of our
4057
02:24:42,399 --> 02:24:45,520
communities but at the same time to what
4058
02:24:44,240 --> 02:24:47,200
many of the other speakers
4059
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:49,120
um including professor kim who left
4060
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:51,359
already said we need to use
4061
02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:52,240
this moment also to build solidarity
4062
02:24:51,359 --> 02:24:54,479
with
4063
02:24:52,240 --> 02:24:56,000
black and other communities to kind of
4064
02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:59,280
address the larger issues that
4065
02:24:56,000 --> 02:25:00,640
are causing anti-asian violence so
4066
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:02,720
you know let's not be invisible but
4067
02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:04,720
let's also you know use our visibility
4068
02:25:02,720 --> 02:25:08,240
in a powerful and kind of cohesive
4069
02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:11,760
way thank you
4070
02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:15,920
to all um
4071
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:16,880
i am still um the words that tunju gave
4072
02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:19,600
us with the poem
4073
02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:20,960
are still ringing in my head um and
4074
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:23,760
they're just so
4075
02:25:20,960 --> 02:25:24,000
beautiful um in terms of like it sort of
4076
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:27,120
like
4077
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:30,640
reinforces what i was thinking about
4078
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:32,880
um um you know the kind of performative
4079
02:25:30,640 --> 02:25:33,840
actions that we can engage in or the
4080
02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:36,160
kind of more
4081
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:38,000
substantive structural um actions that
4082
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:40,160
we can engage in um
4083
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:42,160
you know the the performative some of
4084
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:43,840
the performative acts on social media
4085
02:25:42,160 --> 02:25:46,880
that i saw was like posting
4086
02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:49,760
the yellow um uh yellow square
4087
02:25:46,880 --> 02:25:52,080
or you know having these um boxes to
4088
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:52,960
teach people that we don't eat dogs i
4089
02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:56,000
think those are
4090
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:58,080
not very effective or they're not
4091
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:59,920
not only are they not effective they're
4092
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:02,800
sort of like are not
4093
02:25:59,920 --> 02:26:03,439
um showing the sort of um you know the
4094
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:06,319
issue that
4095
02:26:03,439 --> 02:26:08,319
uh claire talked about earlier which is
4096
02:26:06,319 --> 02:26:10,880
the interconnectedness and
4097
02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:12,240
the relational character of how we are
4098
02:26:10,880 --> 02:26:14,560
being racialized
4099
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:16,000
against one another from different
4100
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:18,399
racialized communities
4101
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:20,640
so you know the the bridge this image of
4102
02:26:18,399 --> 02:26:21,920
the bridge and how to reach out and have
4103
02:26:20,640 --> 02:26:23,840
a lot of conversations
4104
02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:25,680
with other racialized communities
4105
02:26:23,840 --> 02:26:27,359
african-american communities latinx
4106
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:30,720
communities you know other
4107
02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:33,280
native american communities that we can
4108
02:26:30,720 --> 02:26:35,920
reach out in whatever way that we can
4109
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:38,080
through social media or any other
4110
02:26:35,920 --> 02:26:39,520
kind of platform to have these kinds of
4111
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:41,840
conversations i think
4112
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:44,800
would be very necessary at this
4113
02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:44,800
particular moment
4114
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:50,800
thank you alex i would say i i spoke
4115
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:53,840
about the way that i think the insidious
4116
02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:56,240
uh politics of race in china and
4117
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:57,120
so i i would say this is not uplifting
4118
02:26:56,240 --> 02:26:59,040
at all but
4119
02:26:57,120 --> 02:27:00,880
we we all should do what we can to
4120
02:26:59,040 --> 02:27:01,760
create a political cost for dog
4121
02:27:00,880 --> 02:27:04,960
whistling on
4122
02:27:01,760 --> 02:27:07,120
race in in politics or even using race
4123
02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:08,160
more overtly in the way that it's uh
4124
02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:09,840
being used
4125
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:11,760
uh you know thank goodness we're out of
4126
02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:13,439
the trump area where uh it was
4127
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:15,280
almost a daily occurrence that we were
4128
02:27:13,439 --> 02:27:18,160
getting these types of things
4129
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:19,600
in our news and our inboxes but
4130
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:21,680
obviously that strategy
4131
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:23,040
is still ongoing it's still thought to
4132
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:25,359
be a powerful and
4133
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:26,319
useful strategy by many uh in many
4134
02:27:25,359 --> 02:27:30,640
quarters
4135
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:33,040
and so uh we can't uh there's uh
4136
02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:34,319
there may be a tendency to feel fatigue
4137
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:35,280
and to just say look that's just
4138
02:27:34,319 --> 02:27:37,280
politics
4139
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:39,040
but i think it's our job as citizens to
4140
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:42,479
just make it costly
4141
02:27:39,040 --> 02:27:43,600
make it uh a problem for politicians to
4142
02:27:42,479 --> 02:27:45,439
do that
4143
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:46,720
every day and at every moment that we
4144
02:27:45,439 --> 02:27:49,120
can
4145
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:49,120
thank you
4146
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:59,040
gift that i would like to offer everyone
4147
02:27:57,200 --> 02:28:02,880
is the gift that i've received
4148
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:06,160
from this event which is the gift of
4149
02:28:02,880 --> 02:28:06,880
not being alone and when i think back to
4150
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:09,920
this week
4151
02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:12,240
and the times that i've felt that that
4152
02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:13,840
difficulty of being visible right or
4153
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:15,600
abusing my voice
4154
02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:17,120
i think what's felt really hard during
4155
02:28:15,600 --> 02:28:19,280
those moments has just been this feeling
4156
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:22,080
of being alone
4157
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:23,680
and i noticed just being here with all
4158
02:28:22,080 --> 02:28:24,560
of you i mean actually having this
4159
02:28:23,680 --> 02:28:27,600
conversation
4160
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:29,840
sharing our experiences i feel
4161
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:30,880
i feel stronger i feel more capable i
4162
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:34,800
feel that that
4163
02:28:30,880 --> 02:28:38,000
i'm not losing my voice on my own
4164
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:40,080
um and so i guess the gift or what i
4165
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:42,399
would offer is just
4166
02:28:40,080 --> 02:28:44,240
keep talking to each other let's keep
4167
02:28:42,399 --> 02:28:47,280
talking to each other
4168
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:49,760
let's keep kind of strengthening
4169
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:49,760
each other
4170
02:28:50,640 --> 02:28:55,680
thank you we began with our students and
4171
02:28:54,080 --> 02:28:57,040
i'm going to close with our students i
4172
02:28:55,680 --> 02:29:00,240
saved them for last but
4173
02:28:57,040 --> 02:29:03,840
i also wanted to add my gift
4174
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:05,040
and i have to say that i feel that our
4175
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:08,399
generation and
4176
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:10,160
every generation before us has failed in
4177
02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:11,680
big ways when it comes to these issues
4178
02:29:10,160 --> 02:29:14,160
of race and i
4179
02:29:11,680 --> 02:29:15,280
i put a lot of hope and faith in on the
4180
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:18,640
younger generation
4181
02:29:15,280 --> 02:29:19,439
um and i i with my own children i
4182
02:29:18,640 --> 02:29:22,399
remember when
4183
02:29:19,439 --> 02:29:23,280
george floyd was murdered you know they
4184
02:29:22,399 --> 02:29:25,600
were you know
4185
02:29:23,280 --> 02:29:26,479
they're small they're 10 and under and i
4186
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:28,960
had them
4187
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:30,560
draw a portrait of george floyd and
4188
02:29:28,960 --> 02:29:34,000
write a letter to him
4189
02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:34,319
and it was that process of i mean you
4190
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:36,240
see
4191
02:29:34,319 --> 02:29:38,399
you see news you see a photo of someone
4192
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:40,080
like that but it's different when you
4193
02:29:38,399 --> 02:29:42,800
draw them and you really look at the
4194
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:44,479
texture of the skin and their eyes
4195
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:45,920
and their spirit and their lips and
4196
02:29:44,479 --> 02:29:48,240
theirs
4197
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:49,840
you get a different sense of someone and
4198
02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:51,120
we all sat around the table and we all
4199
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:54,160
drew him and
4200
02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:57,200
um and then my kids wrote letters to him
4201
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:59,280
and and doing those kind of activities
4202
02:29:57,200 --> 02:30:01,120
so that hopefully this next generation
4203
02:29:59,280 --> 02:30:04,080
will get it right because certainly
4204
02:30:01,120 --> 02:30:05,120
we we've been failing and part of that
4205
02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:07,040
next generation
4206
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:08,800
we have here tiffany and mariana and i
4207
02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:11,520
want to give both of you
4208
02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:12,640
a chance to you know uh to close the
4209
02:30:11,520 --> 02:30:15,760
night with your
4210
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:15,760
wisdom and reflections
4211
02:30:16,399 --> 02:30:20,399
mariana you want to start okay i feel
4212
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:22,560
like it's probably better if i go before
4213
02:30:20,399 --> 02:30:25,600
tiffany because she's been so eloquent
4214
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:26,160
um but i really like i really like that
4215
02:30:25,600 --> 02:30:28,720
idea
4216
02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:29,840
um of that your kids drew george floyd i
4217
02:30:28,720 --> 02:30:31,760
don't think anyone i know
4218
02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:33,040
um did that with their kids i think a
4219
02:30:31,760 --> 02:30:35,600
strategy was
4220
02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:37,600
um maybe picture picking books that are
4221
02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:39,520
easy to comprehend for young people that
4222
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:41,120
include more characters of color
4223
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:43,120
kind of going back to the film thing of
4224
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:46,319
just characters that are more dynamic
4225
02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:47,439
not tokens not arbitrarily just assigned
4226
02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:48,800
a race for
4227
02:30:47,439 --> 02:30:50,640
some random reason but actually
4228
02:30:48,800 --> 02:30:53,200
contribute something to the story
4229
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:54,720
and don't need to be asian or don't need
4230
02:30:53,200 --> 02:30:56,880
to be black or whatever just
4231
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:58,800
just a person so i feel like that's
4232
02:30:56,880 --> 02:31:00,080
really good for the youth and just
4233
02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:02,160
also kind of like what i was saying
4234
02:31:00,080 --> 02:31:03,920
earlier too of just um
4235
02:31:02,160 --> 02:31:06,319
not being afraid to use social media as
4236
02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:09,040
a tool when it's helpful too because
4237
02:31:06,319 --> 02:31:10,880
i do kind of give social media a bad rap
4238
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:12,479
sometimes just because of how
4239
02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:14,000
um sometimes it gets misused or
4240
02:31:12,479 --> 02:31:16,080
sometimes it's not the most
4241
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:18,319
effective long term but i think it's
4242
02:31:16,080 --> 02:31:20,319
actually a really good tool for example
4243
02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:21,840
i've been able to use it this past month
4244
02:31:20,319 --> 02:31:24,399
to be able to share resources to
4245
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:26,319
alternatives to calling the police or
4246
02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:28,800
specific cases unfortunately most of
4247
02:31:26,319 --> 02:31:32,080
them have been about christian hall or
4248
02:31:28,800 --> 02:31:33,200
um anthony quinto because um the women
4249
02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:34,640
are underreported
4250
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:36,640
but just being able to share what i'm
4251
02:31:34,640 --> 02:31:39,680
able to share or share resources
4252
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:41,200
um or just how to contact or send an
4253
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:42,080
email to the white house and things like
4254
02:31:41,200 --> 02:31:44,000
that that
4255
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:45,200
i feel like without social media i
4256
02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:47,520
wouldn't have a tool
4257
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:49,359
to reach hundreds of people instantly
4258
02:31:47,520 --> 02:31:52,720
which is the click of a phone so
4259
02:31:49,359 --> 02:31:54,240
i feel like um i just feel like that's a
4260
02:31:52,720 --> 02:31:57,840
really good
4261
02:31:54,240 --> 02:32:00,399
tool if it's used correctly so i um
4262
02:31:57,840 --> 02:32:02,080
yeah i think i would end on that of just
4263
02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:03,439
um sometimes like the younger generation
4264
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:04,720
can get kind of like
4265
02:32:03,439 --> 02:32:06,640
sometimes they're fun to make fun of for
4266
02:32:04,720 --> 02:32:08,479
things like that but i feel like
4267
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:09,680
it actually is really a good tool to
4268
02:32:08,479 --> 02:32:11,520
mobilize and just
4269
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:13,040
going back to the film and music and art
4270
02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:15,120
and anything like that of
4271
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:16,160
non-scholarly work too of just everyday
4272
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:18,240
material
4273
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:20,160
um i think that's just a really good
4274
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:21,760
idea to include more characters and more
4275
02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:24,960
authors of color in your bookshelf and
4276
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:28,720
your movie shelf and your music
4277
02:32:24,960 --> 02:32:28,720
thank you mariano tiffany
4278
02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:33,120
so much pressure to be the last person
4279
02:32:31,359 --> 02:32:35,600
to talk um
4280
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:36,240
i feel like there's so much i want to
4281
02:32:35,600 --> 02:32:39,280
say
4282
02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:41,520
but also so much um that i
4283
02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:43,680
i like don't know how to say so it's
4284
02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:45,200
very funny to me that mariana says that
4285
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:48,640
i sound very eloquent
4286
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:50,000
i did want to echo um what um dr uen
4287
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:52,240
said in the beginning
4288
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:53,520
i was very nervous being part of this
4289
02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:56,640
panel
4290
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:58,560
um because i am just at least for me so
4291
02:32:56,640 --> 02:33:01,200
i'm just a student i don't know
4292
02:32:58,560 --> 02:33:03,120
everything i don't have all the answers
4293
02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:05,040
um i felt like i wouldn't have much to
4294
02:33:03,120 --> 02:33:08,080
contribute but i feel like
4295
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:11,520
that belief and that doubt
4296
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:13,920
um really holds me back and that was
4297
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:15,280
what i was trying to stray away from and
4298
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:18,640
what i'm working
4299
02:33:15,280 --> 02:33:19,200
and striving towards um to to be better
4300
02:33:18,640 --> 02:33:22,240
at
4301
02:33:19,200 --> 02:33:23,520
moving forward and i think what i do
4302
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:27,520
want to leave with everyone
4303
02:33:23,520 --> 02:33:28,479
is that it i wanted to remind everyone
4304
02:33:27,520 --> 02:33:31,439
that
4305
02:33:28,479 --> 02:33:32,319
everyone here has the capacity to enact
4306
02:33:31,439 --> 02:33:35,840
change
4307
02:33:32,319 --> 02:33:39,359
and no matter if you are a child um
4308
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:41,439
or a student a professor scholar
4309
02:33:39,359 --> 02:33:43,520
any any insight that you have any
4310
02:33:41,439 --> 02:33:44,800
narrative any action that you take to
4311
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:47,439
support your community
4312
02:33:44,800 --> 02:33:48,080
um and to support yourself is definitely
4313
02:33:47,439 --> 02:33:50,240
really really
4314
02:33:48,080 --> 02:33:51,600
important and at this time it's
4315
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:53,760
definitely really hard
4316
02:33:51,600 --> 02:33:54,880
and i know we're going through a lot of
4317
02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:57,600
different emotions
4318
02:33:54,880 --> 02:33:58,720
um in response to all of these events
4319
02:33:57,600 --> 02:34:01,040
and
4320
02:33:58,720 --> 02:34:03,280
issues but just know that you're not
4321
02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:06,080
alone like what hindu said
4322
02:34:03,280 --> 02:34:06,560
this discomfort is here to push us
4323
02:34:06,080 --> 02:34:09,840
towards
4324
02:34:06,560 --> 02:34:11,760
um you know a greater path and i'm just
4325
02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:12,240
very grateful to be part of this space
4326
02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:14,479
and
4327
02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:16,080
really grateful for all of you and i
4328
02:34:14,479 --> 02:34:18,080
truly hope that
4329
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:19,600
we can continue to work towards change
4330
02:34:18,080 --> 02:34:22,160
to build solidarity
4331
02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:23,600
amongst our different communities and
4332
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:27,200
just continue to
4333
02:34:23,600 --> 02:34:29,840
heal as people of color
4334
02:34:27,200 --> 02:34:31,200
thank you tiffany thanks to all of our
4335
02:34:29,840 --> 02:34:33,280
panelists for
4336
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:35,680
spending these two and a half hours with
4337
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:38,240
us and our audience members
4338
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:38,880
uh at various platforms we appreciate
4339
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:42,160
you
4340
02:34:38,880 --> 02:34:42,640
joining us and i'm very thankful just to
4341
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:44,880
be
4342
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:45,760
a listener and to learn from everyone
4343
02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:48,479
and
4344
02:34:45,760 --> 02:34:50,080
karen your your center co-sponsored this
4345
02:34:48,479 --> 02:34:50,960
event thank you for your support and all
4346
02:34:50,080 --> 02:34:52,960
the other
4347
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:54,319
centers and programs on campus that uh
4348
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:55,840
supported us and especially our
4349
02:34:54,319 --> 02:34:58,240
chancellor's office
4350
02:34:55,840 --> 02:34:59,280
uh who delivered opening remarks we we
4351
02:34:58,240 --> 02:35:01,200
appreciate
4352
02:34:59,280 --> 02:35:02,640
that the highest levels of the
4353
02:35:01,200 --> 02:35:04,880
administration hears
4354
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:06,399
what what's happening and we we look
4355
02:35:04,880 --> 02:35:09,439
forward to
4356
02:35:06,399 --> 02:35:11,200
a brighter day ahead and uh we will we
4357
02:35:09,439 --> 02:35:13,840
will continue to fight and thank you all
4358
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:13,840
so much