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evening and sorry for the delay

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evening and sorry for the delay

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no matter where you are located in the

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no matter where you are located in the

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development would like to welcome you to

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development would like to welcome you to

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our sixth episode of cmed chat the cmed

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our sixth episode of cmed chat the cmed

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chat series engages charismatic guests

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chat series engages charismatic guests

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who are from the middle east and north

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who are from the middle east and north

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africa or who are connected to the

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africa or who are connected to the

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region in some capacity our equally

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region in some capacity our equally

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engaging hosts will vary throughout the

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engaging hosts will vary throughout the

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series to keep the conversations diverse

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series to keep the conversations diverse

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together they will sit down for casual

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together they will sit down for casual

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one-on-one chats that cover a variety of

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one-on-one chats that cover a variety of

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topics and highlight the many voices and

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topics and highlight the many voices and

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realities that enrich the colorful

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realities that enrich the colorful

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region we lovingly know as mina this

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region we lovingly know as mina this

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episode will be recorded and can be

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viewed on sima's website or youtube page

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within 24 hours of this broadcast

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we will not be accepting

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questions for our live guests today

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however if you have any logistics

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however if you have any logistics

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questions feel free to let us know in

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screen and without further ado i will

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pass the microphone to eric

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bordenkircher cmed's research fellow

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bordenkircher cmed's research fellow

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eric take it away

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eric take it away

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thank you salome for the introduction

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thank you salome for the introduction

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uh it's a pleasure to be here this

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uh it's a pleasure to be here this

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afternoon and welcome our guest nina

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afternoon and welcome our guest nina

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my name is eric bordenkircher i'm a

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my name is eric bordenkircher i'm a

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c-med research fellow

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done a lot of work on

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lebanon and had the opportunity to meet

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lebanon and had the opportunity to meet

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nina over the years but before i talk

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nina over the years but before i talk

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about our relationship let me briefly

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about our relationship let me briefly

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present her give a little background

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present her give a little background

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hanina is the friedman fellow at the

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hanina is the friedman fellow at the

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washington institute's

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gel dude program on aeropolitics where

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gel dude program on aeropolitics where

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she focuses on shia politics throughout

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she focuses on shia politics throughout

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the long-time managing editor of

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the long-time managing editor of

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lebanon's now news website zadar shed

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lebanon's now news website zadar shed

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light on a broad range of cutting-edge

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light on a broad range of cutting-edge

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issues from the evolution of hezbollah

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inside lebanon's fractured political

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to iran's growing influence throughout

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to iran's growing influence throughout

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in addition she has contributed to a

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in addition she has contributed to a

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prior to joining now in

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2007 the dhara wrote for the lebanese

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2007 the dhara wrote for the lebanese

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safar nahar and al hayat and also worked

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safar nahar and al hayat and also worked

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as a researcher for the united nations

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development program regional office

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welcome hanin

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welcome hanin

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just like to tell the audience that i've

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just like to tell the audience that i've

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known you now for

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known you now for

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getting on i think around 10 years

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getting on i think around 10 years

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and during those 10 years uh it's been

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and during those 10 years uh it's been

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always a pleasure to talk to you

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always a pleasure to talk to you

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my interests my questions always

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heighten and increase

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heighten and increase

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but the only drawback

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in regards to those 10 years has been

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in regards to those 10 years has been

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the view from your office and the view

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the view from your office and the view

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from your office when i first met you

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from your office when i first met you

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was magnificent and looked out onto the

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was magnificent and looked out onto the

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mountains of lebanon and when i recently

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mountains of lebanon and when i recently

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saw you in washington dc the view is not

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saw you in washington dc the view is not

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quite as gorgeous if i remember

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quite as gorgeous if i remember

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correctly it was more of a brick wall

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correctly it was more of a brick wall

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so i think maybe that's where we should

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so i think maybe that's where we should

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start in regards to those kind of

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start in regards to those kind of

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changing landscapes uh why you know the

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changing landscapes uh why you know the

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change from beirut to washington dc but

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change from beirut to washington dc but

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then also maybe look at that landscape

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then also maybe look at that landscape

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in lebanon which you know is magnificent

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in lebanon which you know is magnificent

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you can never grow tired of looking at

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you can never grow tired of looking at

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at least you know somewhat literally but

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at least you know somewhat literally but

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also very figuratively that view has

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also very figuratively that view has

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been increasingly tarnished and uh you

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been increasingly tarnished and uh you

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know we just i think we look forward to

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know we just i think we look forward to

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you know hearing how you you look at

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you know hearing how you you look at

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that view and you know what you think of

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that view and you know what you think of

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lebanon going forward here so i'll hand

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lebanon going forward here so i'll hand

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the mic off to you and uh

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the mic off to you and uh

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looking forward to hearing you know your

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looking forward to hearing you know your

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uh feedback on these and for on these

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uh feedback on these and for on these

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thank you very much eric for this

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thank you very much eric for this

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introduction and thank you all for

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introduction and thank you all for

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having me and coming to uh this uh this

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having me and coming to uh this uh this

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session to hear about lebanon and and

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session to hear about lebanon and and

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the background like my story via like

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the background like my story via like

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lebanon via my story kind of

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lebanon via my story kind of

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but it's fascinating what you said eric

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but it's fascinating what you said eric

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in the beginning that you saw that

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in the beginning that you saw that

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mountain from my office as like

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mountain from my office as like

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magnificent right and i remember when i

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magnificent right and i remember when i

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used to sit in that office and look at

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used to sit in that office and look at

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that mountain i

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did not see the magnificence that you

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did not see the magnificence that you

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you sow but probably that's really the

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you sow but probably that's really the

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difference between people who visit

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difference between people who visit

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lebanon and people who live in lebanon

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lebanon and people who live in lebanon

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uh you i'm sure eventually you started

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uh you i'm sure eventually you started

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to see what's really behind the

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to see what's really behind the

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magnificence of the magnificence of the

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magnificence of the magnificence of the

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mountain and and the beauty of lebanon

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mountain and and the beauty of lebanon

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uh per se when you start looking at the

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uh per se when you start looking at the

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political scene and the stories of

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people who are living uh

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people who are living uh

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between these mountains it's it's it's

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between these mountains it's it's it's

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it looks magnificent but the stories

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it looks magnificent but the stories

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okay are no longer that that nice and

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okay are no longer that that nice and

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the mountain itself is not as

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the mountain itself is not as

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magnificent anymore and this brings me i

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magnificent anymore and this brings me i

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i wanna i wanna highlight this because

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i wanna i wanna highlight this because

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it's really all when it comes to lebanon

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it's really all when it comes to lebanon

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it's about perspective

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it's about perspective

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uh international perspective versus

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uh international perspective versus

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local perspective but also within

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local perspective but also within

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lebanon each person's perspective on

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lebanon each person's perspective on

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lebanon itself and we in lebanon then i

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lebanon itself and we in lebanon then i

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beneath have this uh

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beneath have this uh

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saying about you know like we have we do

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saying about you know like we have we do

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not have one lebanon there are so many

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not have one lebanon there are so many

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lebanons in lebanon and this is really

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lebanons in lebanon and this is really

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all about how you see your country and

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all about how you see your country and

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your perspective to your community your

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your perspective to your community your

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perspective to politics to the

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perspective to politics to the

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international uh

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involvement in lebanon and and where is

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involvement in lebanon and and where is

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really your identity as in lebanese

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really your identity as in lebanese

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right so this is all these questions i

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right so this is all these questions i

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grew up with these questions i was born

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grew up with these questions i was born

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during at the very beginning actually of

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during at the very beginning actually of

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the civil war in lebanon which broke up

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the civil war in lebanon which broke up

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which broke out in 1975 i was born in 74

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which broke out in 1975 i was born in 74

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so really like all my life i've been

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so really like all my life i've been

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witnessing

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wars and clashes until i left and i'm

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wars and clashes until i left and i'm

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still uh

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looking at it from afar but but really

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looking at it from afar but but really

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this is the main question that

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this is the main question that

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have to deal with throughout these

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have to deal with throughout these

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flashes so what is the lebanon am i

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flashes so what is the lebanon am i

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fighting for what is the lebanon i

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fighting for what is the lebanon i

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believe in what is my identity as a

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believe in what is my identity as a

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lebanese so

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lebanese so

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at one point you realize that there's no

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at one point you realize that there's no

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lebanon lebanese identity beyond the

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lebanon lebanese identity beyond the

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cliches of the lebanese food and the

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cliches of the lebanese food and the

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lebanese music and faith and and then

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lebanese music and faith and and then

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you know like

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you know like

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all that everybody identify with this as

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all that everybody identify with this as

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the cultural side of lebanon but when it

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the cultural side of lebanon but when it

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comes to citizenship and citizenship and

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comes to citizenship and citizenship and

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not in its practical and technical terms

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not in its practical and technical terms

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it's as an identity it doesn't exist

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it's as an identity it doesn't exist

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simply because there is no lebanese

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simply because there is no lebanese

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citizen there's no civil law in lebanon

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citizen there's no civil law in lebanon

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there is no uh uh there's no it's not a

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there is no uh uh there's no it's not a

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civil state it's not really a state in

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civil state it's not really a state in

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that sense so no one really feels that

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that sense so no one really feels that

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they belong as a lebanese to the state

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they belong as a lebanese to the state

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because the state institution does not

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because the state institution does not

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treat you

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as equal citizens

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as equal citizens

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as they treat you as sects

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as they treat you as sects

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the uh triangle basically between the um

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the uh triangle basically between the um

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political uh figure the sectarian

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political uh figure the sectarian

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the religious leader

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and the man and i'm saying man not woman

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and the man and i'm saying man not woman

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here for a reason because it's really

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here for a reason because it's really

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in a system we live in a system where

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in a system we live in a system where

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women and men are not also do not have

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women and men are not also do not have

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equal rights so this triangle of power

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equal rights so this triangle of power

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between the religious institution the

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between the religious institution the

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political institution and the man this

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political institution and the man this

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is really what dominates

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is really what dominates

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the political scene in lebanon until

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the political scene in lebanon until

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today from the very beginning even

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today from the very beginning even

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before the civil war lebanon has never

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before the civil war lebanon has never

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really been a civil state and this is

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really been a civil state and this is

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basically all brings me back to this

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basically all brings me back to this

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perspective how you see lebanon and how

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perspective how you see lebanon and how

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you see uh your place in this in this

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you see uh your place in this in this

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country that for me as someone who grew

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country that for me as someone who grew

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up in shia town i don't say i'm a shia

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up in shia town i don't say i'm a shia

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because i don't identify as a shia but i

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because i don't identify as a shia but i

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did grow up in shia town in the south of

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did grow up in shia town in the south of

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lebanon and this is where i come from so

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lebanon and this is where i come from so

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i i was

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i i was

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born as a shia i was raised as a shia i

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born as a shia i was raised as a shia i

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don't identify as a shia but i am

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don't identify as a shia but i am

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in lebanon no matter how much i try

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in lebanon no matter how much i try

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see myself as lebanese but the lebanon

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see myself as lebanese but the lebanon

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does not see me as lebanese and this is

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does not see me as lebanese and this is

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where my whole issue actually my whole

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where my whole issue actually my whole

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problem with this country is

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problem with this country is

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so uh during the civil war i was little

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so uh during the civil war i was little

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i didn't really like

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i didn't really like

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understand what was happening until i i

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understand what was happening until i i

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grew up and started reading to get more

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grew up and started reading to get more

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involved in politics and realized

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involved in politics and realized

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basically at one point that it was a

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basically at one point that it was a

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sectarian war but it was never over

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sectarian war but it was never over

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we do not have

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in lebanon anything that

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in lebanon anything that

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really remembers the civil war and the

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really remembers the civil war and the

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sense that there is accountability or

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sense that there is accountability or

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collective memory because if you don't

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collective memory because if you don't

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have a collective memory and you don't

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have a collective memory and you don't

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have accountability after reward like

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have accountability after reward like

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this that lasted 15 years you are never

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this that lasted 15 years you are never

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ever going to

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move on so the civil war actually does

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move on so the civil war actually does

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exist and the civil war

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exist and the civil war

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although the fighters are no longer

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although the fighters are no longer

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fighting but what you saw last week in

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fighting but what you saw last week in

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beirut for example with the clashes and

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beirut for example with the clashes and

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they would that hit every headline in

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they would that hit every headline in

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the world this is not really out of did

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the world this is not really out of did

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not come out of vacuum this actually

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not come out of vacuum this actually

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happened because of all these background

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happened because of all these background

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identity issues perspectives clashes

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identity issues perspectives clashes

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that really were never never uh

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that really were never never uh

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so this is just like some background so

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so this is just like some background so

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if you uh want me to talk a little bit

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if you uh want me to talk a little bit

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about myself which i'm not really very

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about myself which i'm not really very

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good at i'm always connecting my story

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good at i'm always connecting my story

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with this you know background but just

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with this you know background but just

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to let you know that i did my ba and my

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to let you know that i did my ba and my

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m.a at the american university of beirut

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m.a at the american university of beirut

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english literature as my ba and then i

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english literature as my ba and then i

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did my master's in middle eastern

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did my master's in middle eastern

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my most of my career in lebanon was in

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my most of my career in lebanon was in

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so i did i wrote in arabic for some

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so i did i wrote in arabic for some

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local newspapers and regional newspapers

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local newspapers and regional newspapers

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but mostly local and then i worked also

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but mostly local and then i worked also

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in english for the now uh now website

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in english for the now uh now website

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and then i became managing editor of

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and then i became managing editor of

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this website that was like probably my

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this website that was like probably my

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longest uh

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longest uh

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my longest career at the step i stayed

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my longest career at the step i stayed

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for with now for nine years which

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for with now for nine years which

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basically led me eventually

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basically led me eventually

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to to washington because i started doing

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to to washington because i started doing

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more analysis as an editor so

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more analysis as an editor so

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during my time as a journalist you also

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during my time as a journalist you also

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realize that

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realize that

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you can't i when you talk about my

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you can't i when you talk about my

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perspective also like the view from

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perspective also like the view from

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lebanon versus the view from washington

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lebanon versus the view from washington

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right it is true that i have this major

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right it is true that i have this major

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view and big office and and lebanon

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view and big office and and lebanon

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where i can you feel that this is a

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where i can you feel that this is a

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place of power right where i'm like the

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place of power right where i'm like the

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editor of this big website managing a

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editor of this big website managing a

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team of 25 people the beautiful mountain

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team of 25 people the beautiful mountain

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in front of me

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in front of me

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i was tied with so many

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i was tied with so many

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red lines in lebanon there isn't like

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red lines in lebanon there isn't like

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freedom of expression in lebanon in the

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freedom of expression in lebanon in the

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region you see lebanon you think you

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region you see lebanon you think you

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know there's freedom

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know there's freedom

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women are more free journalists are free

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women are more free journalists are free

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there are so many media institutions but

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there are so many media institutions but

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this is all just a facade that hides

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this is all just a facade that hides

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behind it

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behind it

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we don't have an it's not an autocracy

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we don't have an it's not an autocracy

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it's not a dictatorship in lebanon but

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it's not a dictatorship in lebanon but

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there are so many red lines and what's

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there are so many red lines and what's

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different today is

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different today is

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when i was in lebanon so you you work

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when i was in lebanon so you you work

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for a newspaper you are free to say

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for a newspaper you are free to say

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whatever you want about the opponents

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whatever you want about the opponents

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but that's not freedom of expression

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but that's not freedom of expression

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there is no investigative journalism in

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there is no investigative journalism in

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lebanon so that's basically another

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lebanon so that's basically another

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deadline where you cannot really access

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deadline where you cannot really access

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information and this is a major issue

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information and this is a major issue

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access of information is just so

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access of information is just so

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difficult in lebanon today things have

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difficult in lebanon today things have

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really started i feel that i left

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really started i feel that i left

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lebanon and i came to washington five

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lebanon and i came to washington five

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years ago and this was probably i did

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years ago and this was probably i did

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not know it back then but part of me

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not know it back then but part of me

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knew that lebanon is not going to end

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knew that lebanon is not going to end

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well and we see it today and i think the

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well and we see it today and i think the

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best decision i've made is to move

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best decision i've made is to move

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to leave lebanon at this point

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to leave lebanon at this point

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especially as a single mom who really

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especially as a single mom who really

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wants her kid to get out of this and

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wants her kid to get out of this and

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it's the best decision i probably made

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it's the best decision i probably made

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because lebanon today is unlivable

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because lebanon today is unlivable

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it's not just the political crisis and

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it's not just the political crisis and

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the economic crisis uh it's you have a

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the economic crisis uh it's you have a

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feeling

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feeling

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not just because of the the

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not just because of the the

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collapse of the economy it's not just a

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collapse of the economy it's not just a

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financial issue it's self-inflicted we

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financial issue it's self-inflicted we

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did this to ourselves we literally did

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did this to ourselves we literally did

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this to ourselves we self we're

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this to ourselves we self we're

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self-inflicted crisis that has

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self-inflicted crisis that has

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uh a problem beyond

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uh a problem beyond

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the financial technical financial issues

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the financial technical financial issues

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and reforms it's not about reforms it's

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and reforms it's not about reforms it's

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not about uh

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not about uh

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democracy it's people went to the

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democracy it's people went to the

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streets in 2019 i was here i wanted to

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streets in 2019 i was here i wanted to

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go and i couldn't go simply because i if

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go and i couldn't go simply because i if

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i go i will be arrested or killed

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i go i will be arrested or killed

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and that was very clear when my friend

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and that was very clear when my friend

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luck manslem was assassinated because he

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luck manslem was assassinated because he

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didn't leave

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didn't leave

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just to give you a background of this i

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just to give you a background of this i

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was i left lebanon in 2016.

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was i left lebanon in 2016.

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part of the reason why i left not

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part of the reason why i left not

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because i felt that lebanon is facing a

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because i felt that lebanon is facing a

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crisis but also

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crisis but also

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i was under a lot of threats

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i was under a lot of threats

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by hezbollah because i am a woman shia

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by hezbollah because i am a woman shia

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woman who is critical of hezbollah and

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woman who is critical of hezbollah and

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that's a big no for them if i were not a

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that's a big no for them if i were not a

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shia they would have dealt with me

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shia they would have dealt with me

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differently if i were not a woman they

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differently if i were not a woman they

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would have done dealt with me

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would have done dealt with me

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differently but for for

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differently but for for

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islamists for an islamist party like

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islamists for an islamist party like

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hezbollah for them a shia woman

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hezbollah for them a shia woman

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should be submissive should not say you

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should be submissive should not say you

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should not be critical so i was under a

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should not be critical so i was under a

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lot of pressure a lot of threats

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lot of pressure a lot of threats

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and i left because of that and i know

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and i left because of that and i know

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that when i left and joined the

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that when i left and joined the

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washington institute they

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washington institute they

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they made sure that i don't go back

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they made sure that i don't go back

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because they sued me they went to the

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because they sued me they went to the

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military court and the military court is

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military court and the military court is

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a tool for oppression in lebanon it's

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a tool for oppression in lebanon it's

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not about the military and i got a

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not about the military and i got a

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sentence which six months in prison

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sentence which six months in prison

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which was

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which was

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overturned and sent to the civil court

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overturned and sent to the civil court

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which is still there in the drawer

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which is still there in the drawer

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somewhere so if i go

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somewhere so if i go

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i'm done

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i'm done

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so i wanted to be there in 2019 i

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so i wanted to be there in 2019 i

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couldn't go and

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couldn't go and

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part of me was

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part of me was

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hurting that i couldn't be in the

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hurting that i couldn't be in the

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streets it was the most beautiful moment

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streets it was the most beautiful moment

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really the most beautiful moment in in

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really the most beautiful moment in in

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in lebanon 2018 the trash crisis

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in lebanon 2018 the trash crisis

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was never this even in 2005 when the

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was never this even in 2005 when the

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cedar revolution happened in lebanon and

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cedar revolution happened in lebanon and

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the lebanese which led to the withdrawal

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the lebanese which led to the withdrawal

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of the syrian army from lebanon uh in

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of the syrian army from lebanon uh in

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2005 that was a nice moment but it was

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2005 that was a nice moment but it was

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not the same as 2019

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not the same as 2019

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the difference is that it was organic

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the difference is that it was organic

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2019 was really organic it has

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2019 was really organic it has

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zero connection to any political party

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zero connection to any political party

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it was secular it was cross

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it was secular it was cross

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across the country everyone in the

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across the country everyone in the

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country demonstrated it was not central

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country demonstrated it was not central

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as in like everybody came to be with you

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as in like everybody came to be with you

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so that big demonstrations from the

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so that big demonstrations from the

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south shiatans and the south to beirut

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south shiatans and the south to beirut

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the mountains all the way to

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the mountains all the way to

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tripoli

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tripoli

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so this was very unique and also it was

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so this was very unique and also it was

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non-sectarian prospectory so this was

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non-sectarian prospectory so this was

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very very unique the problem with that

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very very unique the problem with that

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is that

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is that

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it threatened everyone because it was

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it threatened everyone because it was

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that organic it threatened everyone it

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that organic it threatened everyone it

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led to the collapse of the government

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led to the collapse of the government

but

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but

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but

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as you saw eric you know about lebanon

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as you saw eric you know about lebanon

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the hadith

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the hadith

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prime minister resigned left from the

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prime minister resigned left from the

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door

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door

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came back from the window then resigned

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came back from the window then resigned

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and we got another one who is exactly

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and we got another one who is exactly

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the same thing simply this political

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the same thing simply this political

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establishment

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establishment

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will not go will not go and people want

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will not go will not go and people want

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to go to the streets again

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to go to the streets again

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but after a 2016 2019 moment and the

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but after a 2016 2019 moment and the

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disappointment that it came with and all

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disappointment that it came with and all

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the economic challenges that it came

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the economic challenges that it came

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with you want to go to the streets you

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with you want to go to the streets you

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need gas to fill your car in order to go

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need gas to fill your car in order to go

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to the streets there's no gas you need

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to the streets there's no gas you need

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to eat before you you need to feed your

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to eat before you you need to feed your

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your kids before you go and demonstrate

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your kids before you go and demonstrate

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and that's mainly the problem today

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and that's mainly the problem today

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and the main issue really like the big

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and the main issue really like the big

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elephant in the room that no one wants

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elephant in the room that no one wants

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to talk about is that there's one

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to talk about is that there's one

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authority in lebanon that is stopping

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authority in lebanon that is stopping

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all the reforms that is stopping all

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all the reforms that is stopping all

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change that is really protecting

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change that is really protecting

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corruption

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corruption

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which is

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which is

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not just the political class when you

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not just the political class when you

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say killonian kiln that is all of them

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say killonian kiln that is all of them

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means all of them it's a beautiful

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means all of them it's a beautiful

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slogan but within all of them which is

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slogan but within all of them which is

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all the political class you have one big

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all the political class you have one big

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elephant in the room which is hezbollah

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elephant in the room which is hezbollah

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that is making sure that nothing works

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that is making sure that nothing works

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without this umbrella that protects

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without this umbrella that protects

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everyone they will be vulnerable and

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everyone they will be vulnerable and

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then you can pressure them to change

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then you can pressure them to change

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they use violence they kill people they

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they use violence they kill people they

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threaten

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threaten

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institutions including the judge that is

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institutions including the judge that is

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investigating the beirut blast as this

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investigating the beirut blast as this

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is happening as we speak everything not

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is happening as we speak everything not

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nothing can change as long as hezbollah

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nothing can change as long as hezbollah

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is in power and hezbollah is not just a

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is in power and hezbollah is not just a

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political party in lebanon that has you

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political party in lebanon that has you

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know like so much support that it's so

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know like so much support that it's so

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powerful no

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powerful no

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it is powerful not because it has so

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it is powerful not because it has so

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much support and not even because it has

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much support and not even because it has

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even shia support today is really

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even shia support today is really

dwindling

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dwindling

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dwindling

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they are powerful because they are an

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they are powerful because they are an

army

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army

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army

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so in a way

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so in a way

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a lot of people in lebanon there's a

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a lot of people in lebanon there's a

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huge gap also between international

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huge gap also between international

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perspective and lebanon we go back to

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perspective and lebanon we go back to

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the perspective issue and and and

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the perspective issue and and and

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lebanese people outside lebanon lebanese

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lebanese people outside lebanon lebanese

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and international community and experts

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and international community and experts

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in lebanon see this as an economic

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in lebanon see this as an economic

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crisis as a

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crisis as a

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financial crisis that will be resolved

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financial crisis that will be resolved

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probably by reforms and elections

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probably by reforms and elections

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but

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but

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the problem really is that there is an

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the problem really is that there is an

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occupation in lebanon

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occupation in lebanon

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that nothing will change as long as we

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that nothing will change as long as we

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have hezbollah's arms

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have hezbollah's arms

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pointed at our heads

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pointed at our heads

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threatening us with assassination every

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threatening us with assassination every

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day so that's for me the main issue and

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day so that's for me the main issue and

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elections

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elections

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with arms so there's always this

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with arms so there's always this

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conflict between

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conflict between

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ballots and bullets right so who wins

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ballots and bullets right so who wins

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we'll talk about this yes

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we'll talk about this yes

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she painted quite a grim picture here of

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she painted quite a grim picture here of

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the current situation

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the current situation

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you mentioned how lebanon views you as

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you mentioned how lebanon views you as

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an individual i guess my question would

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an individual i guess my question would

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be how do you view lebanon in the coming

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be how do you view lebanon in the coming

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years maybe two years from now five

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years maybe two years from now five

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years is there hope for optimism

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years is there hope for optimism

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what can the international community do

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what can the international community do

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you write a lot about you know policy is

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you write a lot about you know policy is

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there stuff that the united states

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there stuff that the united states

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should be focused on

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should be focused on

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what are what are your perspectives on

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what are what are your perspectives on

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that

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that

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yeah i think on the short term i'm not

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yeah i think on the short term i'm not

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very hopeful at all actually i'm not

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very hopeful at all actually i'm not

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hopeful at all in the short term things

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hopeful at all in the short term things

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are going to get worse

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are going to get worse

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and things are going to get worse not

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and things are going to get worse not

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just economically people they're like we

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just economically people they're like we

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have we're facing serious starvation uh

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have we're facing serious starvation uh

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the us policy

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the us policy

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today is more focused on humanitarian

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today is more focused on humanitarian

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aid which is great

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aid which is great

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but humanitarian aid is not a solution

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but humanitarian aid is not a solution

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it's just patching up a a problem that

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it's just patching up a a problem that

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is only going to get bigger and bigger

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is only going to get bigger and bigger

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so you have to just like

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so you have to just like

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send more humanitarian aid and this is

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send more humanitarian aid and this is

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not really a policy this is just to make

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not really a policy this is just to make

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sure that

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sure that

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the problem is delayed until we have

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the problem is delayed until we have

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more bandwidth and focus to deal with it

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more bandwidth and focus to deal with it

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and that's where the u.s position today

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and that's where the u.s position today

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they want to help obviously so

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they want to help obviously so

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humanitarian aid is the easiest cheapest

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humanitarian aid is the easiest cheapest

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uh uh

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uh uh

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way of helping lebanon including the

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way of helping lebanon including the

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electricity from jordan and extrican gas

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electricity from jordan and extrican gas

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from jordan and and egypt plus

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from jordan and and egypt plus

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humanitarian aid food items etc and the

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humanitarian aid food items etc and the

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other one is security assistance that is

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other one is security assistance that is

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the us army which is also very cheap if

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the us army which is also very cheap if

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you think about it it doesn't cost much

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you think about it it doesn't cost much

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you know like to to help the us to have

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you know like to to help the us to have

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the lebanese army uh continue at least

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the lebanese army uh continue at least

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you know like

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you know like

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functioning to a certain extent not

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functioning to a certain extent not

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fighting the fight or really defending

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fighting the fight or really defending

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lebanon against occupation this is not

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lebanon against occupation this is not

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the objective of the us assistance to

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the objective of the us assistance to

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the lebanese army the objective is to

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the lebanese army the objective is to

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keep some kind of security and stability

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keep some kind of security and stability

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in certain areas where there might be a

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in certain areas where there might be a

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problem and from the beginning this this

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problem and from the beginning this this

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objective

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of the assistance was not really to face

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of the assistance was not really to face

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hezbollah or the iranian occupation of

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hezbollah or the iranian occupation of

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lebanon the objective was really to

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lebanon the objective was really to

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contain certain

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contain certain

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insurgencies inside lebanon mostly you

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insurgencies inside lebanon mostly you

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know like especially like recently with

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know like especially like recently with

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the syria uh crisis where

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the syria uh crisis where

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the army did really actually uh well

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the army did really actually uh well

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considerably according to u.s

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considerably according to u.s

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perspective a good job in terms of

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perspective a good job in terms of

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stopping isis and al-qaeda from

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stopping isis and al-qaeda from

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from lebanon however

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from lebanon however

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the problem is that this created

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the problem is that this created

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a real issue with

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a real issue with

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perspective again right so why is the

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perspective again right so why is the

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lebanese army today

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lebanese army today

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um

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going after

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going after

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terrorism

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terrorism

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terrorism

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and not shia terrorism hezbollah is

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and not shia terrorism hezbollah is

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classified right as a terrorist

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classified right as a terrorist

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organization in the us so why this is

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organization in the us so why this is

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the main question lebanon we know why we

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the main question lebanon we know why we

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know that this is not something that is

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know that this is not something that is

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on the agenda because this is a big deal

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on the agenda because this is a big deal

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and needs more than assistance to the

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and needs more than assistance to the

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lebanese army the lebanese army

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lebanese army the lebanese army

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despite all its capabilities cannot

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despite all its capabilities cannot

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really stand up to uh

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really stand up to uh

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another army like like hezbollah with

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another army like like hezbollah with

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much better military capabilities and

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much better military capabilities and

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and resources

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and resources

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but in lebanon this is a perspective

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but in lebanon this is a perspective

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that you cannot uh

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that you cannot uh

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address right as the u.s if you want you

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address right as the u.s if you want you

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know like you you sh

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know like you you sh

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there's no way to address these

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there's no way to address these

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questions like why the army is going

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questions like why the army is going

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after sydney terrorism and not

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after sydney terrorism and not

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shatterism and this is actually this

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shatterism and this is actually this

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sentence that i just said

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sentence that i just said

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got me in trouble with the uh in lebanon

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got me in trouble with the uh in lebanon

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and got me the six months

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and got me the six months

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sentence

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in prison this exact sentence that i

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in prison this exact sentence that i

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just said so but this is something sorry

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just said so but this is something sorry

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i was gonna say it is kind of ironic

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i was gonna say it is kind of ironic

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though too because

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though too because

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they're do the lebanese armed forces are

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they're do the lebanese armed forces are

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doing the work of hezbollah in a sense

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doing the work of hezbollah in a sense

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that a lot of you seniors extremists

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that a lot of you seniors extremists

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haven't have

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haven't have

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a strong dislike for hezbollah in a

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a strong dislike for hezbollah in a

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sense of protecting hezbollah from these

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sense of protecting hezbollah from these

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sunni extremists correct

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sunni extremists correct

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sometimes they do sometimes they don't

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sometimes they do sometimes they don't

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so it depends really on what kind so my

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so it depends really on what kind so my

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perspective the army if you want me to

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perspective the army if you want me to

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explain how how this works and why this

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explain how how this works and why this

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happens sometimes

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happens sometimes

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um

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i don't think the whole institution is

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i don't think the whole institution is

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infiltrated by hezbollah this is a big

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infiltrated by hezbollah this is a big

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discussion in washington right is they

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discussion in washington right is they

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